note brian_d_foy I think that's where I first saw it. There was additional discussion on p5p, although I can't find the thread at the moment. I can't verify any of this on my own system because the first thing I do with a new Mac OS X installation is replace perl. :) <!-- Node text goes above. Div tags should contain sig only --> <div class="pmsig"><div class="pmsig-366986"> -- <br /> brian d foy <bdfoy@cpan.org> </div></div> 408254 408484