note extremely Two Whoops for this. I've never found the debugger to be remotely useful. The pain of using it outweighs the value. I use the debugger to understand behavior of code or algos, I use prints or warn logging to find bugs when I'm too lazy to refactor the code that got out of hand. <p>About half the time, I just rewrite the section in multiple pieces and the bug "goes away". Heck, I rarely open the debugger on _C_ code unless I need to find out what was on the stack at a core. Perl is ever so much better than that, I just can't imagine that it is very useful. <p><strong>Update</strong> I wouldn't go so far as to say that gdb rocks my world but it has sure made working with big bad C quite a bit easier. Still, I usually don't pick it up will there is a nasty problem. <p><i>-- <br> $you = new YOU;<br> honk() if $you->love(perl)</i> 48474 48579