note jynx how about: S sys admin S++++++++++ - i am evi nemeth, i don't need perl. *nix does what i want. period. S++++ - i am David Blank-Edelman, i can use perl to do anything the system can do. S+++ - i wrote the perl that automates all our system tasks S++ - i wrote some perl to check the logs and quotas and other daily maintenance S+ - i fixed the previous perl code after upgrading perl to 5.6, but didn't understand everything there S - i use perl to do daily maintenance S- - i know where the logs are, why do i need perl? S-- - i think i installed that, don't remember why... S--- - i'm sorry, where's the `on' button? and this one: Ev vi Ev++++ - i am Bram Moolenaar. Ev+++ - i write patches from time to time Ev++ - i write my own scripts to schange behavior Ev+ - i can open multiple files and use shell escapes effectively Ev - i know how to do complex find/replaces (even using % instead of 1,$) Ev- - i can open a file and save and quit Ev-- - how do i start inputing text? Ev--- - How is vi visual? And of course the first line under map should be: MA++++ - i am Erudil. i (ab)use map. maybe, maybe not... jynx 48718 48718