note Perl Mouse <!-- Node text goes above. Div tags should contain sig only --> <blockquote>Pope and Apostle should be just under saint.</blockquote> Why? Sure, the Pope isn't a Saint - if only for the reason that to be Pope, one has to be alive, and to be a Saint, one has to be dead (at least, in the Catholic church). Other churches call anyone who is currently in heaven a Saint. Yet other churches consider anyone having the same faith as their to be a "Saint". ("The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" is an obvious example of such a church). And you probably don't want to be considered a Saint in the eyes of a Discordian. <p> But the Pope is the infallable representative of Christ on earth. Which would rank him directly below Christ. And one can be canonized (the act that makes one a "Saint") without ever holding any rank in a church or religious organisation. So, one might argue a Pope "ranks" higher than a Saint. Or draw the conclusion they cannot be ranked together. <p> As for Apostles, in the Catholic church, Bishops are seen as the successors to the Apostles. So, you'd might rank them close together. <p> Personally, I don't care. Order them in alpabetical order, and I won't complain. Now, if they had ranked Dumbledore above Gandalf, then I'd be upset. <div class="pmsig"><div class="pmsig-496863"> <tt><font color="purple">Perl</font> <font color="red">--((8:>*</font></tt> </div></div> 504121 504614