note Gavin I was getting fed up with all this about pumpkins, but you made me laugh out loud ++.<BR><BR> When I was a young lad many moons ago in the UK we didn't know what a pumpkin was and had to make do with a hollowed out turnip or swede. Not an easy thing to hollow out compared to a pumpkin. <BR>Many hours later with cuts on our hands the resplendent blood splattered hollowed out turnips would be put on view illuminated by a bit of candle (no batteries or flashing diodes for us).<br><BR> The kids have it too easy these days!! <BR> Gavin 580311 581059