note zentara I always pull out the old pretzel logic, to make the fool go into an infinite Wha? loop. <p>"If you understand, no explanation is necessary; if you don't understand, no explanation is possible."<p>If that dosn't work, I start yelling louder until he/she shrinks away in cowardice, then mutter confidently ............. " you dumb f**k". <!-- Node text goes above. Div tags should contain sig only --> <div class="pmsig"><div class="pmsig-131741"> <hr /> I'm not really a human, but I play one on earth. <a href = http://zentara.net/japh.html>Cogito ergo sum a bum</a> </div></div> 637052 637052