note Wookie While I admit to being very new to Perl - I find default/pre-defined variables to be a source of constant inspiration. Using $_ $@ $| etc. can really confuse things. Oh yeah - and overuse $_ - superfluously if possible - as an example from my first attempt I submitted today: <CODE> $_=_($_);$_+=$_; </CODE> (_ is a sub that returns the input++) and now you can use any of the following - all to get 4: <CODE> $_+=$_; $_=$_*$_; $_=$_**$_; </CODE> game(Wookie,opponent) eq 'Wookie' ? undef $problem : remove_limbs(arms,opponent); 20312 20312