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24Hr log of chatterbox

by jjhorner (Hermit)
on Jun 01, 2000 at 22:19 UTC ( #15875=monkdiscuss: print w/ replies, xml ) Need Help??

Vroom,

Would it be a huge burden to have the chatterbox logged in 24 hour spans? That way, I can view what was said in the chatterbox. A lot of good info is passed in the chatterbox that I might be able to use.

Thanks,

J. J. Horner
Linux, Perl, Apache, Stronghold, Unix
jhorner@knoxlug.org http://www.knoxlug.org/

Comment on 24Hr log of chatterbox
RE: 24Hr log of chatterbox
by neshura (Chaplain) on Jun 01, 2000 at 22:29 UTC
    And would it be too much to ask to code up a series of AI agents to sift through the data on a minute-by-minute basis and adjust everyone's XP in real time based on their adherence to Perl Monks best practices, with extra points for style?

    (jk)

    jj, you can log the chatterbox yourself right now, but if everyone did that, server would start sagging. but i agree, actually, the chatterbox is full of tasty tidbits that are lost forever.

    e-mail neshura

      you can log the chatterbox yourself right now, but if everyone did that, server would start sagging. but i agree, actually, the chatterbox is full of tasty tidbits that are lost forever.

      Logging it my self isn't an option for me, I pay my ISP 0.01 pence per minute that I'm connected that's evenings and weekends (for people who don't understand real money :-) that's about $1.00 American roughly per hour) rising to 0.045 per minute during the day. Logging it myself would get very expensive very quickly.

      I too would like some way to get at the history and was going to post a discussion topic about this myself earlier on (some of you may remember me asking if it had been discussed before, I thought it had and didn't want to rehash old ground).

      Nuance

      Baldrick, you wouldn't see a subtle plan if it painted itself purple and danced naked on top of a harpsichord, singing "Subtle plans are here again!"

        Perhaps some nice monk will take it upon him/herself to offer such a service. You know, for the kids.

        The Autonomic Pilot

RE: 24Hr log of chatterbox
by BigJoe (Curate) on Jun 02, 2000 at 03:24 UTC
    This would be great (as long as you can filter out an individual). Everybody knows who that is.
Is it a good idea to log the chatterbox
by kudra (Vicar) on Jun 02, 2000 at 13:31 UTC
    I'm not certain that the chatterbox ought to be logged. Of course someone can always log it for her or himself, but that doesn't mean it should be an included feature. It seems to me that a lot of what happens on chatterbox is unimportant or only important at the time.

    Logged chattering could lose context. Context is not just a factor of date/time, which can easily be logged (although which time zone would be used?), but also can relate to activity on the site (recent postings, who is logged in at the time) or events outside of the site.

    For example, if someone made a post and failed to use code tags, I might mention that on chatterbox (without using msg if that person were the only person logged on). The person doesn't reply but fixes the post. This is a boring example. Who cares about some missing code tags?

    Next the person writes something insulting me for even bringing the code tags up (or a poem talking about how wonderful I am for mentioning it, depending on what view of human nature you prefer in examples). I'm tired, so I say more than I might have otherwise--"You are so rude. I wish someone would rm you." (alternate: "Please remove that, it's embarassing!"). Point having been made, the person changes the text of the node so that it says "Oops, sorry for the blank message, please remove this." Three hours later, it gets removed. Seven hours later someone looks at the log and wonders what I'm on and whom I was talking to.

    I know, these are silly examples because nobody really cares what I was saying to the unknown person at 2 in the morning. Which is exactly my point: if it's important, it belongs in a node; if it's in the chatterbox, it's probably disposable (and if it isn't, someone should write it up in a node so it will be saved).

      You make some good points about the transitory nature of the chatterbox, I can't argue with the examples you cite.

      Perhaps what I really want is not a permanent logging of the comments for posterity, but a larger window into the discussion. I guarantee that I am not the only person who has logged on and caught the end of what looked like an interesting discussion. A lot of times, I would like to see what has been said already without everybody repeating themselves. Or perhaps someone has asked a question and all you have seen are the replys, again a larger window into the discussion would be useful.

      A one hour cache would suit my purposes much better than a permenant record. A one hour cache would also allay most of the concerns about losing context. So if we had a page that showed the previous hour's discussion, would this be a better solution acceptable to all/most?

      update Ok I realise very few people have actually read this post since I wrote it, but this seemed worth adding.

      There is a separate discussion going on about chat scripts logging in while they poll for messages. ZZamboni has mentioned that (in order to ensure he does not miss anything) he leaves his script running while he is not there. If there was a "previous hours chat" page, you could amend the polling frequency of your chat scripts to once every 55 - 58 minutes or so, when you were leaving them unattended. This would greatly reduce the load on the server.

      Thanks for reading

      Nuance

      Baldrick, you wouldn't see a subtle plan if it painted itself purple and danced naked on top of a harpsichord, singing "Subtle plans are here again!"

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