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Win32::API, sees C stack corruption, failure mode ideas

by bulk88 (Priest)
on Mar 20, 2013 at 03:52 UTC ( #1024423=perlquestion: print w/ replies, xml ) Need Help??
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I am a maintainer of Win32::API. There are some assembly tricks that can be used to detect certain kinds of C prototype mistakes and other C stack problems. I am thinking of adding one such kind of check to Win32::API (Win32::api v0.75 issue importing DLL is encouragement it is needed). Microsoft offers a feature called Run-Time Error Checks, which when on (almost always used only in "debug" mode images), will throw up a GUI box that says "The value of ESP was not properly saved across a function call. This is usually a result of calling a function declared with one calling convention with a function pointer declared with a different calling convention." A different but similar technique is

What do you think Win32::API should do if it finds out that *AFTER* calling a C function, that the C function was called with the wrong prototype and it might have seen uninitialized memory, and random things might have been written to the caller's C stack? Currently I have (in psuedo C)
struct { DWORD register_ebp; DWORD register_esp) debugInfo = {ebp, + esp}; RaiseException(STATUS_BAD_STACK, EXCEPTION_NONCONTINUABLE, 2, &deb +ugInfo); /* this TerminateProcess can only be reached with a C debugger and + trapping the "untrappable" exception above */ TerminateProcess(GetCurrentProcess(), STATUS_BAD_STACK);
Would a Perl's C croak/die be preferred? But that can be caught, but should such an error be possible to catch? or swallowing a potential C stack corruption (AKA stack buffer overflow) and resuming execution never sane?

But someone can argue, croak does a which rewinds the stack, and any corrupt C autos will be skiped/gone/deleted/never used again, and also Win32::API uses alot of alloca (safety margin for the corruption to land in, C functions rarely have more than a dozen parameters right so the corrupting write wont land on anything sensitive?), so a croak is safe %99.99999 of the time and it is perfectly fine to resume execution in the OS thread. In any case, someone can say that anyone who can set the C prototype given to Win32::API already has rooted the system and low level C stack 5p1o7z are redundant, or a Perl process with Win32::API in it, should never be exposed to a hostile client since the Win32::API module is a security breach by definition and concept.

Or just call C library fprintf(stderr, ...) and exit() and bypass Perl, but dont throw up a cryptic Windows crash box to the user of Win32::API?

Or call Perl's my_exit(), but that uses longjmp and can resume execution in earlier portion/some far up caller in the C stack, and runs Perl code (object dtors and END blocks).

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Re: Win32::API, sees C stack corruption, failure mode ideas (die)
by tye (Cardinal) on Mar 20, 2013 at 05:28 UTC

    die. You shouldn't get to decide that I will never have any use whatsoever for even temporarily delaying the death due to a corrupted stack.

    However, if the stack corruption has even a moderate chance of preventing even (the XS equivalent of) die from making it far enough to successfully output the error message, then it is probably wise to write an error to STDERR first, and then die.

    - tye        

      ... if, indeed, you can manage even to do that.

Re: Win32::API, sees C stack corruption, failure mode ideas
by thirdm (Sexton) on Mar 20, 2013 at 18:13 UTC
    In our code at work (mostly C++, no Perl) someone put something in to try to write a stack trace to a log by intercepting windows structured exceptions. This makes debugging stack and heap corruption issues more difficult, IMO. The stack trace we manage to write is almost always nonsense for memory problems. What I want generally when debugging is a memory dump I can look at with windbg with as few operations attempted as possible since the corruption happened. i.e. I want an abort(). Whoever wrote MS's new functions like strcpy_s seems to agree, though they give you a way to override the behaviour: CRT Parameter Validation.

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