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Re^2: Does Perl Have a Business Plan?

by ruzam (Curate)
on Mar 22, 2013 at 16:59 UTC ( #1024962=note: print w/ replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to Re: Does Perl Have a Business Plan?
in thread Does Perl Have a Business Plan?

The problem isn't marketing. The problem simply is we have done nothing new and solid for years now. Yes there is Moose and all that Modern Perl movement. But I can tell you Modern Perl was all about catching up with others.

I respectively disagree. The problem is entirely marketing.

Is Moose attracting new Perl programmers? Is Perl 6? Hardly. At best these are finding new life for 'existing' Perl programmers, and a very small subset at that. It' preaching to the choir.

The kids setting their fresh new brains on learning Python, PHP or what ever flavour of the week, are flocking to them because marketing hype is telling them that's were all the other cool kids are. Not because say, Python just released a 'new version X'.

Perl 6 will never be anything more than that 25 year old legacy language our parents use. Not without marketing to make it cool again.


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Re^3: Does Perl Have a Business Plan?
by BrowserUk (Pope) on Mar 22, 2013 at 17:19 UTC

    If and when P6 becomes a production-capable product, I think marketing it would be quite easy. But ...


    With the rise and rise of 'Social' network sites: 'Computers are making people easier to use everyday'
    Examine what is said, not who speaks -- Silence betokens consent -- Love the truth but pardon error.
    "Science is about questioning the status quo. Questioning authority".
    In the absence of evidence, opinion is indistinguishable from prejudice.

      Good joke. :-)

      Wasn't meant as such? Then tragedy - of course. Even if Perl6 was available yesterday (and we're being told it is already available ... go perl6.org yadda yadda), marketing it would be very hard and at the current moment would most probably fail at all.

      Why? Because the whole Perl6 project, team, people is totally ignoring ROI. OTOH maybe this is because such an approach has its tradition in the Perl world. Who knows?

      propaganda.pm - Not just another Perl Mongers Group.
        Good joke. :-)

        No, it's not joke.

        If Perl6 did today, 90% of what Perl5 already does -- with 90% or even 70% of the performance that Perl5 does it -- it would be usable for many non-performance critical applications with the benefits of cleaner syntax and easier maintenance now; and the promise of lots of good stuff to come in the future.

        Marketing it would be a simple as demonstrating the concise, clarity of like for like code against Perl5, Python, Ruby et al.

        That would be enough to encourage early adopters and start both discussion and the exploration of what it is capable of. From that would come the kick-starter application, and interest, and a wider audience and wider contribution. It could then sink or swim on its own merits rather than on sound-bite marketeering, dubious statistics or patriarchal request.

        Marketing based on giving people what they want -- rather than making them want what you have got -- is more reliable; more honest; and actually quite easy.

        And people want a cleaner, clearer, simpler, more orthogonal Perl, and have done for a long time. But they are not prepared to throw the baby out with the bath water.


        With the rise and rise of 'Social' network sites: 'Computers are making people easier to use everyday'
        Examine what is said, not who speaks -- Silence betokens consent -- Love the truth but pardon error.
        "Science is about questioning the status quo. Questioning authority".
        In the absence of evidence, opinion is indistinguishable from prejudice.

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