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Re^2: How many man-hours would you estimate you have invested in learning Perl?

by shetech (Initiate)
on Apr 04, 2013 at 01:26 UTC ( #1026928=note: print w/ replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to Re: How many man-hours would you estimate you have invested in learning Perl?
in thread How many man-hours would you estimate you have invested in learning Perl?

I agree with pemungkah on this one. It's a strident and wildly inaccurate attempt at a joke on feminism, and further implies that the straw feminist would then go on to continue bitching about something or other, seemingly irrelevant to the discussion at hand. I'm a female, something of a nerd and yes, a feminist (and even as I write this, I can FEEL the number of eyes rolling at that statement). As such, I will simply say that the "...you patriarchal pig..." comment does a disservice to this entire community, male AND female, by further alienating a group of people that are among your greatest assets and champions.


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Re^3: How many man-hours would you estimate you have invested in learning Perl?
by pemungkah (Priest) on Apr 04, 2013 at 18:44 UTC
    I'm a female, something of a nerd and yes, a feminist (and even as I write this, I can FEEL the number of eyes rolling at that statement).

    This is a precision example of where this kind of "joke" goes.

    Because you, the original poster, think making this kind of joke is hilarious, you've painted everyone else on Perlmonks as thinking this kind of crap is OK.

    Here we have a potential contributor, and supported of Perl, who now feels like we're a bunch of exclusionist jerks who think diversity is dumb - and therefore Perl programmers as a whole think this way too.

    Don't argue that she's being too sensitive. If someone essentially says, "I don't like people like you," it goes in no matter how "tough" you are - and it sure doesn't make you want to hang out with the person who says it - and it absolutely creates a bad association at an emotional level (for both men and women - there are no Vulcans or machine intelligences here).

    So congratulations! You've made great strides in convincing someone else that Perl programmers are elitist, insensitive dicks who like their boys club and don't want anyone who isn't just like them around.

Re^3: How many man-hours would you estimate you have invested in learning Perl?
by Anonymous Monk on Apr 07, 2013 at 03:20 UTC
    Nice one sockpuppet troll. Brand new account made just to make this post.
      Yes, it's great to see the welcoming attitude you so exemplify here.

      I'd be happy to introduce you to a real, personal friend of mine who you just insulted. But you are hiding behind the screen of anonymity because even you know that saying crap like is is wrong. You just don't want to admit it.

        How about a photo with the node id number? No photoshops please.
      Would you like to know why I created an account? So that I would be posting with a name instead of hiding behind a cloak of cowardly anonymity. That is all.
Re^3: How many man-hours would you estimate you have invested in learning Perl?
by Anonymous Monk on Apr 07, 2013 at 04:41 UTC

    I'm a female, something of a nerd and yes, a feminist (and even as I write this, I can FEEL the number of eyes rolling at that statement)

    You know, I didn't :) I'm of the opinion that almost ever guy on here is a feminist, even the joke poster/defenders

      If they are then they need to be acting like it and to be speaking up about the jerks and saying, "that stuff is unacceptable". When people are being jerks in a public forum, the only way to fight that - and to ensure that the forum is not taken to be supportive of the jerks - is to say, "that is wrong, that is unacceptable, it offends me, and you should find somewhere else to go if you want to say crap like that; we don't accept that here."

      Don't feed the trolls only works when it's clear otherwise - through positive affirmation by a majority - that the trolls are indeed trolls. It's not clear at Perlmonks. For instance the poll is still up and unchanged.

        Has it ever occurred to you that the reason it is still unchanged is because the majority of people, men and women, so not see the anything worth changing?

        Have you considered the possibility that positive affirmation here is that you were wrong to start this whole storm in a teacup in the first place?

        That the troll here is you?

        If they are then they need to be acting like it and to be speaking up about the jerks and saying, "that stuff is unacceptable". When people are being jerks in a public forum, the only way to fight that - and to ensure that the forum is not taken to be supportive of the jerks - is to say, "that is wrong, that is unacceptable, it offends me, and you should find somewhere else to go if you want to say crap like that; we don't accept that here."

        *sigh* this isn't very reasonable, its a classical fallacy, silence doesn't mean acceptance/consent/endorsement

        I've resisted several times the urge to shout obscenities at the various rude participant in this thread, but it would be rather pointless, all the poop flingers are immune to both reason and insults

        Don't feed the trolls only works when it's clear otherwise - through positive affirmation by a majority - that the trolls are indeed trolls. It's not clear at Perlmonks. For instance the poll is still up and unchanged.

        more fallacy

        something said/implied doesn't agree with my philosophy, so I will shout and be rude so they'll be like me , now be like me! If you're not with me you're against me and you can all go to hell!

        Oh great, now I'm exibiting microagression, I'm so unreasonable

Re^3: How many man-hours would you estimate you have invested in learning Perl?
by Jenda (Abbot) on Apr 09, 2013 at 15:52 UTC

    Funny thing is ... straw or not ... that's exactly what happened. I say the joke was spot on.

    Jenda
    Enoch was right!
    Enjoy the last years of Rome.

      Funny thing is ... straw or not ... that's exactly what happened. I say the joke was spot on.
      Aha.

      Please, can you show me where in the thread someone called the author a patriarchical pig? Or something comparably insulting?

      So the joke is discrediting feminists by putting the word pig in their mouths. (If that was the intent of the joke, one can discuss - well, if one is able to discuss)
      People complain, without insulting.
      The joke defenders:
      insult the ones who complain,
      tell them how they have to feel,
      and in the end make that a proof that the joke is actually right.

      I'm missing that proof.
        I believe that Jenda is saying that the poll entry was a self-fulfilling prophecy - but how could it be anything else? It's like teasing a bull and then blaming it for charging.

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