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Re^4: How many man-hours would you estimate you have invested in learning Perl?

by shetech (Initiate)
on Apr 06, 2013 at 20:28 UTC ( #1027301=note: print w/ replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to Re^3: How many man-hours would you estimate you have invested in learning Perl?
in thread How many man-hours would you estimate you have invested in learning Perl?

Just so. And this is one of the primary reasons why I don't hang out in communities like this very much, and is the reason why I don't attend developer conferences. Every step I take in that world is a reminder of why I'm not welcome.


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Re^5: How many man-hours would you estimate you have invested in learning Perl?
by tinita (Parson) on Apr 06, 2013 at 23:23 UTC
    that's a pity. :-/
    I have to say that my personal experience at YAPCs and perl workshops is very good; I even was member of the orga team for the first time recently. We added a short policy against discrimination and harassment to our call for participation. I would like to encourage you to participate in conferences, and in case of an issue, talk to the orga team or the person in question; maybe that's the best way to make the right people aware of the problem. =)
Re^5: How many man-hours would you estimate you have invested in learning Perl? (skip)
by Anonymous Monk on Apr 07, 2013 at 04:38 UTC

    Every step I take in that world is a reminder of why I'm not welcome.

    Try skipping :)

Re^5: How many man-hours would you estimate you have invested in learning Perl?
by Anonymous Monk on Apr 08, 2013 at 12:58 UTC
    Please don't take this community as an example. There seem to be some people who make bad jokes (possibly unintended), and unfortunately a number of machos who take part in such discussions and use all means to discredit anybody who is complaining. This is easy because it's anonmyous.
    I guess at conferences this is better. If those people are attending (what I doubt), then at least they usually don't dare to say aloud what they've written here.
      Yes, and no matter how good at Perl they might be, we don't need people who can't interact with anyone who isn't just like them. We especially don't need them to loudly paint Perlmonks and by association the Perl community as just like them.

      I encourage you to post with a nym, even if it's an alias. The more real people who say,"this? This doesn't fly for Perl people," the better.

Re^5: How many man-hours would you estimate you have invested in learning Perl?
by Jenda (Abbot) on Apr 08, 2013 at 14:12 UTC

    Being oversensitive surely feels that way. I'll tell you a secret, we all feel not welcome at times. Some of us did not find an organization to amplify and return the feeling yet though.

    Jenda
    Enoch was right!
    Enjoy the last years of Rome.

      Over sensitive. Sure. You've just been told that something that is an immutable part of who you are: female, minority, foreign - is inherently less. No, that isn't painful at all.

      It's the death of a thousand paper cuts.

        You stopped too soon! Come on, add to the list!

        Nerd, man, too young, too old, too small, too tall, too skinny, too fat, too weak, ...

        Jenda
        Enoch was right!
        Enjoy the last years of Rome.

        Over sensitive. Sure. You've just been told that something that is an immutable part of who you are: female, minority, foreign - is inherently less. No, that isn't painful at all.

        You were told no such thing, the joke doesn't even mention women

        None - I refuse to acknowledge the term man hours, you patriarchical pig. But I have many person-hours. And let me tell you.....

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