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Re^9: How many man-hours would you estimate you have invested in learning Perl?

by tinita (Parson)
on Apr 08, 2013 at 12:01 UTC ( #1027478=note: print w/ replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to Re^8: How many man-hours would you estimate you have invested in learning Perl?
in thread How many man-hours would you estimate you have invested in learning Perl?

Now you're just being petulant.
I'm sorry. I forgot you have the exclusive right for that.
when there are real issues in this world
this argument is so ridiculous, and it always has been. I wonder why people still use it. so, as long there are "real" issues, we shouldn't care about the more trivial ones? isn't there the possibility that allowing the trivial problems actually helps creating a climate for the more "real" problems?


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Re^10: How many man-hours would you estimate you have invested in learning Perl?
by educated_foo (Vicar) on Apr 08, 2013 at 13:24 UTC
    as long there are "real" issues, we shouldn't care about the more trivial ones?
    It seems like a political version of bike-shedding to me -- spending more time on trivial things because doing so is easier than dealing with serious ones. For example, if you want more women involved with Perl, you could set up a fund to sponsor female undergrads to attend conferences. Yes, that's hard and requires time and/or money; it's much easier to just have a flame-war over a throwaway joke on a website.

      Right. So instead of doing something with the small things we can change, we'll instead organize a big conference where we spend days and millions to find out we still can't solve the big things. Or, if we are not so inclined, so that we can stay on the couch moaning about the big issues and have some excuse why we do not stand up and do something.

      And if you want to sponsor a female undergrad, go ahead. I'm sure you'll find a few worth sponsoring a few dinners.

      Jenda
      Enoch was right!
      Enjoy the last years of Rome.

      First: While I think programs like "send-a-newbie" are great and undergraduates can use sponsoring, that's good for both female and male students. I'm not sure if special sponsoring for female students would be a great help. More important is what females think about the community. We cannot change that with money, but by showing that even if a bad joke was made, it's possible to say "ok, sorry". instead, what always happens, is that the ones who complain are discredited.
      The last time pemungkah complained he said something like "if I was female I would find that offensive". And he was heavily critized for doing that. Now he said that he himself felt offended, and still he's critized, and everybody else who complains, too.
      If every women who does stand up by writing a complaint is called a feminazi, that's actually even more a reason to discuss.

      Second: telling me that it is easy to discuss things here is really not fair. And if you actually do something without discussing it before with the community, I'm sure you get critized for not having discussed. *sigh*
      I'm already doing a lot for the community (developing the software and administrating the server for the german perl forum, moderating it, organizing the german perl workshop, being adminstrator of the Berlin.pm list, and believe me, I have to deal with all kinds of nasty persons for that. (Except the workshop, no nasty persons there. We added an anti-harassment policy to our CfP and sent it to local usergroups and universities. That's doing something.)
      Guys threaten me with a laywer, guys are making harassment emails and phone calls to my female co-moderator, we are regularly accused to use our power (because we two, the most active moderators, are female) to spread feminazism.
      The interesting thing is, the more active my role in the community got, the more nasty people turned up. While I learned to ignore those more and more, it's really not fair to tell me it's easy to write posts in a forum.
        It sounds like your German forum is pretty toxic. Harassing emails and calls are things everyone in this thread would probably agree are beyond the pale, but equating them with some joke survey answer just antagonizes people who, like me, would otherwise agree with you.

        In any case, fuck it -- I don't see anything useful coming of this discussion. I regret having tried to participate.

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