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Re^5: How many man-hours would you estimate you have invested in learning Perl?

by pemungkah (Priest)
on Apr 09, 2013 at 23:41 UTC ( #1027867=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to Re^4: How many man-hours would you estimate you have invested in learning Perl?
in thread How many man-hours would you estimate you have invested in learning Perl?

You are right, it was too much. But let us try to see the parable that he was trying to illustrate, even if it was done badly. Would we be treating Ratazong equally if any of the ridicule and exclusion the original post spoke of were allowed to happen? We would not be. It would be wrong. It would be counter to what I believe the spirit of Perl to be.

If we treat classes of people like this, then we're not doing what many people are trying to do for the Perl community: make it more inclusive, make it more welcoming, listen; try to find consensus; change if change is needed, be compassionate if no change is possible.

Manifestos and conference codes of conduct are great; we should have them. But what we really need to do is live according to them. Or, if that's not possible, claim our rebellion by name, and say, "no, I believe you are asking too much," and engage to try to fix what we see as a problem.

I commented here because I felt that the unwritten, unspoken tenets of Perlmonks have begun to increasingly demand too much acquiescence to microagressions of many kinds (not only gendered but cultural as well), and I wanted to establish that I (and as we have seen, others) felt that these unwritten laws needed to be looked at.

He's not perfect, certainly, but think of it this way: Would you expect Larry to nod approvingly if the kind of stuff that's been said in this thread were said in front of him? Would you be proud to walk up to Larry at YAPC or OSCON and say "I called someone a beliigerent two faced cancerous asshole on Perlmonks today!"? (Search the thread, it's a quote.)

Do you think he'd say, "I am so glad you're associating that kind of thing with the language I've worked on for years. Good job."? Or do you think he'd be more likely to look at you and say, "I don't think that was right."?

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[choroba]: LanX I miss working in a bank sometimes...
[Corion]: Discipulus: Ooof. Especially yearly things are things I like to automate instead of trying to remember how I did things last year...
[Corion]: And the second rule that I've learned is, that there is no one-off job, so writing a program for it pays off almost immediately. The third rule is to give all my programs numbers and have them reproduce that number in the name of their output files. :)
[Discipulus]: the true part is that also specification change between years.. but well our job is cheap but dont abuse of us.. ;=)
[LanX]: Choroba: do you miss chaos with ties? apply at the US government.. ;)
[ambrus]: Corion: those are good rules.
[ambrus]: Discipulus: oh sure. the input data has different filenames every time I get them.
[ambrus]: the directory structure may be 1, 2, or 3 deep, it may have spaces in the filename or not, it has dates in various format, different keywords for the same meanings, and the dates and other keywords are assembled in various ways.
[Discipulus]: no ambrus by specification i mean for example license per core instead of per socket, so fields are different

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