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Re^11: How many man-hours would you estimate you have invested in learning Perl?

by ysth (Canon)
on Apr 17, 2013 at 18:21 UTC ( #1029194=note: print w/ replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to Re^10: How many man-hours would you estimate you have invested in learning Perl?
in thread How many man-hours would you estimate you have invested in learning Perl?

I'm not sure if you are agreeing or disagreeing with my basic point that the target of the humor (and yes, there is a problem with humor that has a target) being feminists (I didn't say 'all' and was intending to be general enough in my wording to include '"feminists"'), of whatever gender, not females.

I didn't say anything about trollism??


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Re^12: How many man-hours would you estimate you have invested in learning Perl?
by BrowserUk (Pope) on Apr 17, 2013 at 18:52 UTC

    The point is that a target of just "feminists" is ambiguous.

    1. It could be intended to target of 'all feminists', which is sexist because it is nondiscriminatory, thus cannot ever be justified.
    2. It could be intended to target 'some feminists', which isn't sexist unless you can conclude that all feminists are perfect and could therefore never exhibit the lampooned behaviour.

      But if one or more persons claiming feminist ethics, are or have exhibited that behaviour, they are legitimate targets of humour.

    3. But as the term 'feminist' is not mentioned in the joke at all, it could equally be applied to non-feminists exhibiting the lampooned behaviour.

      Which would again be legitimate targets and not sexist.

    It is the behaviour that is being lampooned -- after the same fashion jobworth jokes -- not the person.

    Thus conclusions drawn about exactly who is the target are inferred, not implied and reflect the reader not the writer.


    With the rise and rise of 'Social' network sites: 'Computers are making people easier to use everyday'
    Examine what is said, not who speaks -- Silence betokens consent -- Love the truth but pardon error.
    "Science is about questioning the status quo. Questioning authority".
    In the absence of evidence, opinion is indistinguishable from prejudice.

      To assume that targeting all feminists is sexist is to make a sexist assumption about the composition of feminists. (Which was pretty much my original point.)

      Re: reflecting the reader, yes; and that means that readers willing to see a wider range of possible intents by the writer will have fewer issues with such reading.

        To assume that targeting all feminists is sexist is to make a sexist assumption about the composition of feminists.

        It would be sexist, because it would target the philosophy of feminism. While not all feminists are female; the philosophy deals exclusively with rights of; and prejudices enacted against; women.

        Thus attacking 'all feminists' is to attack that philosophy; and thus is an attack on women (feminist or not); and is thus sexist.

        (I believe that is essentially a from memory paraphrase of a US Supreme court ruling; but I cannot find it. It is also possible I got it from a movie or a book.)


        With the rise and rise of 'Social' network sites: 'Computers are making people easier to use everyday'
        Examine what is said, not who speaks -- Silence betokens consent -- Love the truth but pardon error.
        "Science is about questioning the status quo. Questioning authority".
        In the absence of evidence, opinion is indistinguishable from prejudice.

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