we appear to have an unrecognised genius in our midst!
The contributions this fellow makes would surely elevate him to the highest levels of the Perl priest(monk?)hood yet he wanders round the monastery, as he has done for years, in the guise of a humble Initiate.
It is often said that those who are best suited for the job are those who don't try to get it, so I propose that we immediately elevate our humble Anonymous Monk to the level of Pope!
If you spot any bugs in my solutions, it's because I've deliberately left them in as an exercise for the reader! :-)
This post is by sundialsvc4, not Anonymous Monk, just in case somehow I get logged-out prematurely. (I didn’t.) Yes, I have said some of these things before. Place your down-votes here to be sure that I get proper credit.
I suggest that all of us should always be asking ourselves, how can we serve these two groups better. (And then, if changes to our venerable perlmonks.pl are called for, actually get changes done.) Why do people come here? What do they want to get from it, and what do they not?
They do want to get:
Answers. Above all. I am (whoever I am ...) “show-stopped” and the clock is ticking. We have all been there.
Peer Review. The best solution is not-obvious. We want to hear the opinions of our peers. We know that the Perl space is actually vast, with all kinds of nooks and crannies, and that someone .. here has already been there.
They donot want to get:
Participant personalities. The moment a thread “gets personal,” it not only becomes off-topic, but it also gets irrelevant and even annoying to people who have to scroll through back-and-forth exchanges. The rules of debate are formalized, but they’re formalized for a reason. The greatest scene in The Fugitive ends with Tommy Lee Jones’ character shouting back, “I don’t care!” His character had one purpose. So do we. The audience doesn’t come to a movie to see back-office politics.
XP wars. So far as I know, PerlMonks is the only forum that provides a means of negative feedback, although a great many offer n people found this post helpful. When I am looking for answers, especially in unfamiliar spaces, it is helpful to zero-in on what other people find helpful. But it isn’t coincidence, I think, that these forums don’t tally negativity, let alone bundle them into a singular “total.” Rotten Tomatoes, the well-known movie review site, tallys, separately, both the fresh and rotten fruits. (And, guess what, I tend to read only the fresh ones.) You heard the opinions of both Siskel (R.I.P.) and Eibert (R.I.P.). Separately. I think that there were carefully market-researched reasons for that.
“Anonymous” egg-throws. No other forum that I know about permits posts to be made anonymously. You must log-in, and if your session times out, you must re-authenticate to proceed. The ability to do so, not only prevents someone from following-up offline with the true author of a particular post, but also encourages the other two things that, I aver, participants do not want to get. Once again, I think there is a reason why every other forum acts differently from this one in this regard.
In the end, movies exist to sell popcorn. Perlmonks similarly exists to provide on point answers and peer-reviews to people who one-and-all “sing for their supper.” Whether we change the site software or not, in the end, it is the Monks who define our effectiveness in doing what we do here. We ought to be “on-point” and “on-message,” collectively, all the time. That message is never particularly about “any of us,” and I think we all should strive to keep it that way ... for them: the folks who buy popcorn.
"Want Mega XP? Prepare to have your hopes dashed, join in on the: poll ideas quest 2013 (Don't worry; you've got plenty of time.)"
WTF is a 'Mega XP'?
This message has greeted me every time I've visited this website for the past two years, and the string 'Mega XP' is noplace on the poll ideas page.
I guess I'm just too stupid to figure out how to make the regular or 'super' search forms search for 'Mega XP' as a single string rather than returning results containing "Mega" and "XP", but in poring over results I see that "mega XP" seems to mean something like "lots and lots and lots of eXperience Points"??
Or maybe it doesn't. In any case no, I'm not especially dying to have them, I've no hopes so feel free to dash them, and I like a good non-sequiter as much as the next Nerd/Geek so maybe I'll visit the poll page again. Someday.
"XP is just a number"
No, 'XP' is two letters. '3' , '5.918287271' , '-7' , now *those* things are examples of what we commonly call 'numbers'. Absent 'context', that is (and Perl is all about context, isn't it?). You've got yours, I've got mine, and now (after considerable effort) mine actually includes some glimmer of your contextual notion of 'Mega XP'. I think.
I just want to say thank you to everyone here for all your help. I remember 15 years ago when I was doing my first install of Slackware Linux, I'd ask questions in IRC channels and be met with replies like, "Stupid question.", "RTFM", and so on. I guess my early Linux experience has always made me a bit apprehensive about asking questions. However, this community truly makes a person feel like there is no such thing as a stupid question. You've always been willing to help, and I've never been met with any snide or rude replies. This community is the #1 reason I love Perl, honestly. It's the reason I stick with it. I'm still learning, and still making a lot of mistakes, even after all these years; but I know that if I am ever stuck, or having a difficult time figuring something out on my own, someone here will kindly help me understand. For that, I truly appreciate all of you, and all of your help.
Thank you Monks for making the Perl community so awesome. And thank you all for helping me along my way as I have learned.
One of the minor annoyances (very minor, nothing to get worked up over) is the fact when there is a link in either PM chat or in a posting clicking on it has you leave the page you are on and replace that page with the referenced link.
How much trouble would it be to change the behavior of links inside of square bracket to open a new window using
When I use perlmonks shortcuts to the perldocs it goes to the page but not down to the anchor location on the page like the full link does. The apostrophe and the percent symbol are being replaced with things like '%27' and '%25'.
I see some need to discuss the potential changes, as I do not want the actions of a few vocal voices to negatively impact the majority of the community here.
Relation to TPF
The relationship between Perlmonks.org and TPF was so far only displayed on every page as a link, but there was no description of what the relationship actually is. I would like to clarify the relationship with text in the Perlmonks FAQ like the following
Perlmonks.org is loosely related to TPF. TPF provides the
legal entity representing Perlmonks.org in the real world.
The postings on Perlmonks.org represent exclusively
the positions of their respective authors
and not the positions and opinions of TPF (nor of the
site administrators, hosting providers, or anyone else).
This should be fairly obvious to the long-time users of this site, but not everybody is aware of the history of Perlmonks.org and its relationship to TPF.
The official way to contact the Perlmonks.org administators, /msg'ing gods, will also be linked from that FAQ page. As this feature is also available to Anonymous Monk, this provides a reasonable venue to get in contact should one feel the need to do so.
Some people have voiced the idea that anonymous contribution here is detrimental to the level of discussion. The recent discussions at 1024035 have not shown a wide desire or support to enforce accounts for contributing.
This statement should be obvious, but it seems that it bears repeating:
While the community of this site welcomes people from all walks of life, we do not welcome postings outside the scope of programming in general. The specific focus of this site lies on the Perl programming language.
We appreciate a civil tone here. The self-regulating mechanisms of this site tend to work very well, but when posting or replying to a post, you should respect the other person. Personal attacks are not welcome here. If you think you need to reply to a personal attack in public, consider sleeping over it or otherwise delaying such a missive. Also consider asking other site members to review a draft of your text as to whether it is appropriate before posting.
The following should also go into the Site FAQ:
Advice for long threads
"A discussion has been going on but somebody replies to me every time. How can I close a thread?"
If you get into a prolonged discussion with an individual on this site, please consider whether your discussion actually positively contributes to the topic. After ten or more replies, such a thread rarely brings some technical result and likely has devolved into an emotional battle. As it takes at least two participants in such a thread, consider agreeing to disagree and stop posting to that thread, no matter how good you think your cause is, and no matter how wrong you think the other side is.
Hello there. I was wondering if I could get a whole box of PerlMonks cookies when I log onto PerlMonks. I have found six different addresses through which I can get onto PerlMonks, however I need to log into each one separately.
This question is related to the perlmonk website usage.
The questions I have is when I am viewing any thread, I can see only up to 3 replies on the same as that of the thread. Any other replies beyond 3 replies, I need to open it in new tab/windows to read it. How to display the replies beyond “Re^3” on the page as that off the thread and not opening a new tab/window?