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Laziness? (was Re^6: v5, a reimplementation of P5 (was Re^5: A "Perl-7" that I could actually USE right now))

by raiph (Friar)
on Jul 03, 2013 at 15:26 UTC ( #1042237=note: print w/ replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to Re^5: v5, a reimplementation of P5 (was Re^5: A "Perl-7" that I could actually USE right now)
in thread A "Perl-7" that I could actually USE right now

Rakudo's gather/take implementation is lazy. (And so is Niecza's.)

Please reread what I wrote. There is no spin. I can't stop you seeing it if you believe it's there. But it is not there.

I'm hoping that you can see that you misinterpreted my words and were then unfair to me (and P6). I'm hoping you can switch to a space of wonder, love, and open mindedness in response. If so, I have a request. Please look elsewhere in this thread, reading what others say and then interpreting my words as if I was sincere, not spinning (I'm not). Rinse, repeat, (but don't spin) for as long as you see my words in a new light. Then report back here or PM me or just ponder the world. I will appreciate this even if you fail to see things differently. Thanks. :)

Constant misinterpretation is the lot of most humans. I suspect it is my lot at PerlMonks no matter how hard I try. But it would suck if you have permanently joined the ranks of the rabidly anti P6. :P


Comment on Laziness? (was Re^6: v5, a reimplementation of P5 (was Re^5: A "Perl-7" that I could actually USE right now))
Re: Laziness? (was Re^6: v5, a reimplementation of P5 (was Re^5: A "Perl-7" that I could actually USE right now))
by BrowserUk (Pope) on Jul 03, 2013 at 15:38 UTC
    Rakudo's gather/take implementation is lazy. (And so is Niecza's.)

    Really? Why not respond with that in the first place instead of all the fluff you posted?

    And what is the basis of that laziness? (Hint: threading? corroutines? continuations? a little man hidden under the table?)

    There is no spin. I can't stop you seeing it if you believe it's there. But it is not there.

    Right. Were all just seeing things.

    But it would suck if you have permanently joined the ranks of the rabidly anti P6. :P

    I'm not anti-p6 (rabid or otherwise), just anti-BS.

    If it were possible to have a straight conversation about Perl6 -- rather than a "straight conversation (for some definition of the word straight)" -- then I might have gotten on-board; but that hasn't been possible since pugs was frozen out to death.


    With the rise and rise of 'Social' network sites: 'Computers are making people easier to use everyday'
    Examine what is said, not who speaks -- Silence betokens consent -- Love the truth but pardon error.
    "Science is about questioning the status quo. Questioning authority".
    In the absence of evidence, opinion is indistinguishable from prejudice.
      Really? Why not respond with that in the first place

      I did. I even put it in bold.

      And what is the basis of that laziness? (Hint: threading? corroutines? continuations? a little man hidden under the table?)

      The spec leaves this up to implementations. I just confirmed with jnthn that Rakudo/Parrot currently, and has always, used coroutines. A few days ago Sorear implemented the relevant NQP ops for continuations on the JVM with the explicit plan to use that to implement gather/take on Rakudo/JVM (I'm guessing this month). I always thought Niecza used coroutines, but jnthn just said he thinks Niecza uses continuations. (Niecza supports coroutines, continuations, and threads so Sorear may have chosen to implement gather/take based on any of these. I just browsed the gather/take Niecza commit and... can't tell :))

      I'm not anti-p6 (rabid or otherwise), just anti-BS.

      Fairy 'nuff.

      You wrote, in bold, about P6's laziness, "another example of misleading information". Hopefully you now see that that was itself another example of misleading information. I'm tempted to call it BS. What do you call it?

      If it were possible to have a straight conversation about Perl6 -- rather than a "straight conversation (for some definition of the word straight)" -- then I might have gotten on-board; but that hasn't been possible since pugs was frozen out to death.

      "Pugs frozen out to death?" The lead dev, who had been staying up all hours to push it forward, discovered she had a life threatening illness that was hugely exacerbated by stress. One day she suddenly stopped posting on #perl6.

      Audrey continues to pop up occasionally on #perl6. She is always helpful, fun, inspiring. She has kept Pugs building to this day and Coke has kept testing it against the spectest suite to this day. #perl6 LOVES audrey. Pugs has not remotely been frozen out. But volunteers need to work on it. It has some serious problems, but if you, or anyone, comes to try work on it I assure you you/they will be very warmly welcomed.

        Okay, you've convinced me. I'll stay out of P6 threads and add your handle to my suppress list. (You'll be only the 3rd person to ever make that list).

        Rose tinted glasses and revisionist views of history are like finger nails on a blackboard for me.


        With the rise and rise of 'Social' network sites: 'Computers are making people easier to use everyday'
        Examine what is said, not who speaks -- Silence betokens consent -- Love the truth but pardon error.
        "Science is about questioning the status quo. Questioning authority".
        In the absence of evidence, opinion is indistinguishable from prejudice.

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