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Re^5: v5, a reimplementation of P5 (was Re^5: A "Perl-7" that I could actually USE right now)

by chromatic (Archbishop)
on Jul 07, 2013 at 22:05 UTC ( #1043017=note: print w/ replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to Re^4: v5, a reimplementation of P5 (was Re^5: A "Perl-7" that I could actually USE right now)
in thread A "Perl-7" that I could actually USE right now

Yes, they may eventually solve the XS problem. They don't now, and to my knowledge neither has a credible solution to do so. Anyone who suggests otherwise—anyone who suggests that Moe or v5 is useful and usable in the same way that Perl 5 is now—is spreading misinformation.

To be fair to Moe, no one has ever suggested that it is a worthwhile replacement for Perl 5.


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Re^6: v5, a reimplementation of P5 (was Re^5: A "Perl-7" that I could actually USE right now)
by BrowserUk (Pope) on Jul 07, 2013 at 23:43 UTC
    a worthwhile replacement for Perl 5.

    I still don't get all this endeavour to re-write P5 in P6. P5 is perfectly embeddable.

    Just embed perl5xx.dll/.so into the P6 compiler and provide:

    1. P6 built-in(s) to access p5 subroutines:

      Say something like:

      use P5 qw[ LWP::Simple ]; ... my $url :String = <...some P6 source>; my $content = p5call( "LWP::Simple::get( $url )" );
      ).
    2. P6 proxies for P5 objects:

      Say:

      use P5 qw[ DBI DBD::Pg ]; ... my $dbi = P5Object( "DBI->connect( $dataSource, $userName, $userAuth, +\%attrs" ); ); my $sth = $dbi->prepare( 'SOME SQL HERE' ); ...

    Full compatibility at a stroke, and full P5 performance (within the p5 code), and a small hit through the thunking layer.

    How hard could it be to write the thunking layer? (It's gotta be easier than recreating P5 + XS + everything else.)

    I effectively do exactly this in my 15-line Perl5 REPL.


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      How hard could it be to write the thunking layer?

      Keep in mind the current mindset is that everything has to be portable across all of the (hypothetical) backends that Rakudo (hypothetically) supports, so writing a thin embedding layer in C won't do. You have to write it in NQP and then hope that the backend allows you to invoke C functions in an efficient way. That's C for Parrot, JNI for the JVM, something like P/Invoke for the CLR, wishful thinking for v8, and magic unicorn fairy dust for MoarVM.

      It's gotta be easier than recreating P5 + XS + everything else.

      If P6 is optimized for -Ofun, then plumbing and maintenance and packaging and all of the other pieces of finish work that aren't glamorous must not be fun.

        lend me some of your dust ...

Re^6: v5, a reimplementation of P5 (was Re^5: A "Perl-7" that I could actually USE right now)
by raiph (Friar) on Jul 11, 2013 at 17:02 UTC

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