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Re^2: how to access elements in perl (for the naysayers)

by BrowserUk (Pope)
on Apr 28, 2014 at 10:21 UTC ( #1084106=note: print w/ replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to Re: how to access elements in perl
in thread how to access elements in perl

You catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar

This constant theme that anyone asking a question about Perl, should already know enough to couch that question in Perlish terms -- ie. Must "demonstrate what they've tried" -- is tired, forlorn and counter-productive.

It's like asking everyone who seeks out driving instruction to provide video of their last fatal accident.

Expecting everyone who has discovered (or been pointed at) Perl as a possible solution to their occupational task, is like expecting every footballer or lumberjack to realise that mathematics is the key to their occupational tasks. Forlorn, and naive.


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Re^3: how to access elements in perl (for the naysayers)
by Anonymous Monk on Apr 28, 2014 at 10:34 UTC

    This constant theme ... is tired, forlorn and counter-productive.

    :) So what do you suggest?

      "So what do you suggest?"

      He provided a working solution instead.

      Karl

      «The Crux of the Biscuit is the Apostrophe»

        He provided a working solution instead. Karl

        Yes, I saw that, karlgoethebier , what does that have to do with anything?

        Are you saying instead of asking for clarification, davido/choroba and folks like that, should just provide solutions, even if it takes hours "learning" the jargon just to decipher the problem?

      So what do you suggest?

      Give a little code to get them started.

      Something they can run and that almost does what they need.

      Encourage them to try and adapt it; or explain the problems they have doing so.

      Encourage their participation; not drive them elsewhere.


      With the rise and rise of 'Social' network sites: 'Computers are making people easier to use everyday'
      Examine what is said, not who speaks -- Silence betokens consent -- Love the truth but pardon error.
      "Science is about questioning the status quo. Questioning authority".
      In the absence of evidence, opinion is indistinguishable from prejudice.
Re^3: how to access elements in perl (for the naysayers)
by Anonymous Monk on Apr 28, 2014 at 11:33 UTC

    I agree that the tone of "go figure it out yourself and come back with code" that some responders take on posts like these is not very welcoming. However, I think it's a good idea to ask someone to show some effort, in encouraging terms of "we'll help you figure it out" (I like davido's response). I think it helps the learning process, and also, as opposed to just providing a piece of code, it helps weed out those people who are just asking others to do their work for them, and those who will simply copy and paste a piece of code without trying to understand it. At the very least, it'd be nice to know the OP's level of Perl knowledge.

Re^3: how to access elements in perl (for the naysayers)
by wjw (Curate) on Apr 28, 2014 at 19:03 UTC
    ...flies and honey...

    I agree with this. There are times when those of us who are other than full time developers simply face a problem which is hard to express.
    Part of the help one needs might be to actually formulate the question.

    There are certainly folks who come here, drop a 'please provide me with a solution', and seem to expect others to work for them. Based on my reading over the past several months, the ratio of actual 'abusers' to said response is far too small. I have on occasion responded by saying 'make some effort' as well. I hope not often... . The tone of some similar responses has been (to my way of thinking) arrogant and just plain pointlessly unfriendly.

    I am reminded of the scene in RoadHouse where the new lead bouncer tells his team members to "..ask them to leave, but be nice, show them the door, but be nice...".

    ...the majority is always wrong, and always the last to know about it...
    Insanity: Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results...

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