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Re: Beware the Trolls!

by Anonymous Monk
on Jan 04, 2002 at 00:47 UTC ( #136077=note: print w/ replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to Beware the Trolls!

I find this viewpoint pathetic.

Either information is hoarded out of greed, or the ease by which information is obtained is disdained out of jealously.

Trying to segregate those who 'deserve' information and those who don't is a preposterous action, doomed to fail and woefully misguided. The point is to make it free, not make it earned. The whole point is dissemination. Stop worrying about whether someone is getting off easier than you got off and start contributing.


Comment on Re: Beware the Trolls!
Re(2): Beware the Trolls!
by dmmiller2k (Chaplain) on Jan 04, 2002 at 01:53 UTC

    Whoa! Easy, there. Nobody is proposing hoarding information (or making any kind of judgement about who 'deserves' it or not).

    Dissemination of information is what PerlMonks is all about. We *want* Perl to become more widely accepted.

    The point is: Do your homework and make an effort. If you have no idea how to get started, we'll happily point you in the right direction (uh, directions: T M T O W T D I). If set out on the wrong track, we'll help you figure out where and why (given enough information, of course).

    Just don't come here expecting to have anyone solve your problems for you.

    dmm

Re(2): Beware the Trolls!
by FoxtrotUniform (Prior) on Jan 04, 2002 at 23:15 UTC

    Either information is hoarded out of greed, or the ease by which information is obtained is disdained out of jealously.

    Bogus. (Excluded middle, if you want the technical term.) There are plenty of other reasons for withholding information. In this case, they're pedagogical. Someone who copies their assignments word-for-word off the net won't learn as quickly or as well as someone who thinks for themselves. So the objective of not doing trolls' homework for them isn't to establish an elite of Perl gurus, but to encourage people to learn Perl, learn Perl well, and hopefully become valued contributors to the community. Look up "enlightened self-interest" for more details.

    --
    :wq
Re (tilly) 2: Beware the Trolls!
by tilly (Archbishop) on Jan 05, 2002 at 19:16 UTC
    Your list of possibilities is incomplete.

    The one you miss which most closely matches my opinion is that in order to share we want to encourage behaviour which leads to learning. Answering good questions and refusing to answer thoughtless ones both aim for this goal.

    Indeed if I wanted to discourage lazy people from learning I would follow Dominus' memorable advice.

      "encourage behaviour which leads to learning."

      Amen I can agree with this whole heartedly. I only have one thing to say about it.

      Does this encourage senior members to hastily give the cold shoulder to someone that may not be looking for an immediate answer, but just didn't know how to phrase the question? I haven't seen this personally, just speaking hypothetically.

      Yes, I am a criminal. My crime is that of curiosity.
        I would like to say "No", but mistakes do happen.

        The problem is that it takes some skill and sometimes more than a little guesswork to tell which questions are likely to be from someone who really doesn't know better, and which are likely to be from someone who probably has the resources to answer their own question, but is feeling lazy. So there are cases of mistaken identity.

        My two rules of thumb are to assume the best, and to try to answer the question I think the person should be asking rather than the one they are. Frequently that will mean that rather than give an answer, I explain how to find the documentation, and give hints on where in the documentation the answer is likely to be found. That tends to work pretty well. If they were just lazy, that discourages asking me. If not, it allows them to answer their question, while giving them tools to answer the next one.j

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