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Re: Re: Prime Number Finder

by I0 (Priest)
on Feb 20, 2002 at 23:31 UTC ( #146660=note: print w/ replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to Re: Prime Number Finder
in thread Prime Number Finder

1 is not prime


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Re (tilly) 3: Prime Number Finder
by tilly (Archbishop) on Feb 22, 2002 at 04:10 UTC
    Whether or not 1 is prime is a question of definitions.

    While I admit that it makes more sense to me to say that 1 is not a prime, there is certainly not universal agreement on it. In particular (as I discovered when I took some advanced number theory courses) a number of the people who undertook to compute long lists of primes started their lists with 1. After a while you learn not to be too dogmatic about it. (Though I have to say that there is far more agreement that 1 is not prime than there is on, say, whether 0 is a natural number.)

      "Whether or not 1 is prime is a question of definitions."
      Indeed. It is not prime by definition.

      This is a useful definition since it allows integers to have a unique prime factorization.


      (Less controversially, 0 is not prime, although it is also listed by the program which prompted this comment)
        You claim that 1 is not a prime by definition, and This is a useful definition since it allows integers to have a unique prime factorization. But note:
        6 = 2 * 3 = 3 * 2 = (-2) * (-3) = (-3) * (-2)
        Therefore the uniqueness of prime factorization is only uniqueness up to some defined equivalence relation of factorizations. There is no reason we can't define this equivalence so that stray factors of +-1 don't matter.

        Indeed the standard definition most people know of a prime is something like, A positive integer is prime if it is only divisible by 1 and itself. Arguing about whether 1 is prime is a question of arguing about whether those two statements need to be separate. Which is a pretty minor difference.

        As I say I point this out because when I was taking upper level number theory I would run across articles which made comments like, "X's counts are off by one from Y's because X counted 1 as prime." When I first saw this I was flabbergasted. Then I was told that everyone knew it didn't really matter one way or the other, so some people who were trying to produce long lists of primes counted 1 just as an easy way of improving their count. (This isn't something that people have done much of recently because it is simpler to generate lists than to find somewhere to store it.)

        So there isn't really a definite answer within the positive integers. The definition that 1 is not prime does generalize more nicely into abstract algebra (primes generate prime ideals which leave you with integral domains when you mod out by them). And most people use it most of the time. But that usage isn't universally set in stone in my experience.

        You also point out that, Less controversially, 0 is not prime... which is absolutely true. I have never seen anyone claim that 0 is a prime. The closest that I have seen is things like having people who study the p-adic number fields refer to the reals as the 0-adics, and 0 as "the infinite prime". (Try factoring 0 to see where the "infinite" bit comes from.)

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