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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: NO PERL 6

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on Dec 10, 2002 at 13:56 UTC ( #218783=note: print w/ replies, xml ) Need Help??


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in thread NO PERL 6

Of course you (and LW) are right. I can see the ambiguity in $ip = '192' + '.10' + '.10' + '.1'; for example.

The problem with abuttment is less clear to me. With a here-doc, doesn't the '<<' need to be preceded by '=' and followed by ';' which distinguishes

$var =<<"here"; from $var <<= 2;?

I did spend quite a while trying to find syntactic problems with abuttment of vars and/or string for catenation, and failed. The only place where I saw a particular problem was with print STDERR "string" ; versus print "string" "string"; where the (to me) strange syntactic choice of not just not requiring a comma after the HANDLE, but actually requiring it NOT to be there, causes a problem.

I guess I should read some more stuff by those that have been looking at the problem for a while rather than trying to logic it out for myself.


Okay you lot, get your wings on the left, halos on the right. It's one size fits all, and "No!", you can't have a different color.
Pick up your cloud down the end and "Yes" if you get allocated a grey one they are a bit damp under foot, but someone has to get them.
Get used to the wings fast cos its an 8 hour day...unless the Govenor calls for a cyclone or hurricane, in which case 16 hour shifts are mandatory.
Just be grateful that you arrived just as the tornado season finished. Them buggers are real work.


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by Aristotle (Chancellor) on Dec 10, 2002 at 15:27 UTC
    One example that comes to mind: "nosehair" << 10;
    Will that be a left shift or a concatenation of a string with a here doc?

    Makeshifts last the longest.

      Catenation with a here-doc obviously:^) (since left-shifting a string isn't legal?);

      "10" << 10; this is the stuff 10

      Would be ambiguous, were it not that then you have a constant in a void context, which is rarely ever useful.

      Once you remove the void context as in

      my $var = "10" <<10; this is the stuff 10

      it would be ambiguous, but I think that being able to use a number as a here-doc delimiter is as bad as the long deprecated (and now illegal) practice of using a space for that purpose. I always assumed (without ever having had cause to actually check until now) that here-doc delimiters followed the same naming rules as labels. I now see that is untrue, but I can't think of a good reason why it shouldn't be made so. That would remove that ambiguity.

      At the end of the day, personally, I'll probably be quite happy to accept '_' or '~' (or any other syntax the powers that be decide upon) for catenation, but 'simple' abuttment seems almost logical (to me), and I was exploring the idea to see what effect it might have on the rest of the current perl syntax. I don't yet see anything that would be a problem that I wouldn't be happy to change to accomodate it, but I don't use most of the more esoteric constructs that it might conflict with, and have relatively little history with the language which means that I am open to possible changes that those with ingrained habits would rail against.

      I have no expectation that any of my meanderings are going to influence anything one way or the other, but when I see something that raises a queston in my mind that I can't resolve by a little playing around or research, I am of the habit of asking the question of those with better experience than I. That's my prefered way to assimilate new knowledge. It seems a shame that in some quarters at least, this practice is seen as bad. Not you I might add.


      Okay you lot, get your wings on the left, halos on the right. It's one size fits all, and "No!", you can't have a different color.
      Pick up your cloud down the end and "Yes" if you get allocated a grey one they are a bit damp under foot, but someone has to get them.
      Get used to the wings fast cos its an 8 hour day...unless the Govenor calls for a cyclone or hurricane, in which case 16 hour shifts are mandatory.
      Just be grateful that you arrived just as the tornado season finished. Them buggers are real work.

        Let's undo a few assumptions.
        sub BITS () { 16 } my $x = 100 <<BITS;
        Ball's in your court again. :-) The obvious problem here is certainly easy to fix by stricter syntax, but in thinking about the fix I've already found a few more ambiguities..

        Makeshifts last the longest.

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