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(Humor) A New Name for Perl 6

by VSarkiss (Monsignor)
on Mar 12, 2003 at 04:20 UTC ( #242242=perlmeditation: print w/ replies, xml ) Need Help??

Looking through Apocalypse 6, especially before the Exegesis has come out, I get an excited-yet-queasy feeling that I think many others share. A lot of the complaints (mostly in other places) are really centered around "but it doesn't look like Perl". I recently realized that when people say that, they really mean "but it doesn't look like Perl 5."

Clearly, we need a new name for this language that will help people to disassociate it from the old language. After all, if it's called Perl 6, it must be just one step away from Perl 5, right? But it's not, it's on a whole different plane, and we need a name for it that makes that clear. Obviously, we can't call it "COBOL 2003" or "Espresso Con Panna" because people will be seriously confused. We need a name that evokes not only where the language is, but also where it has come from.

Here's your chance for notoriety fame and fortune! Come up with a new name for this wonderful language, and give a brief rationale of your suggestion in a reply below. I'll disqualify myself, but here are a few to get you started:

++Perl
Like Perl++, but it's incremented before you use it.
ECMAPerl
I mean, "JavaPerl" is just too awful to contemplate.
Perl Advanced 2003 XP
Which conveniently abbreviates to PA2K3XP. A language with an obfuscated name, even.

For extra credit, design a new logo also: a Camel on steroids, or one with its quanta superposed, or ...?

Comment on (Humor) A New Name for Perl 6
Re: (Humor) A New Name for Perl 6
by chromatic (Archbishop) on Mar 12, 2003 at 05:14 UTC

    Just about every discussion of real programming I've ever read on Slashdot reminds me of my favorite quote from the least-informed Perl book I've ever read. It went something like:

    If you try to assign an array to a scalar, you'll get the number of elements in the array. Hopefully this bug will be fixed in a future version. In the meantime, do $len = $#ary + 1; because it's less confusing.

    Update: I forgot to cast my vote. Why not Gloria? (I seem to recall Larry suggesting it fairly recently.)

      lol. Do you by any chance recall the books name?


      ---
      demerphq


        I do, but out of a misguided, surprising, and completely out of character sense of professional responsibility, will refrain from sharing. :) It wasn't written by anyone I know, anyway.

Re: (Humor) A New Name for Perl 6
by boo_radley (Parson) on Mar 12, 2003 at 05:19 UTC
    I've been stumping for "parl", but nobody's buying it.
      That's because it's taken by PAR.


      MJD says you can't just make shit up and expect the computer to know what you mean, retardo!
      I run a Win32 PPM repository for perl 5.6x+5.8x. I take requests.
      ** The Third rule of perl club is a statement of fact: pod is sexy.

Re: (Humor) A New Name for Perl 6
by zengargoyle (Deacon) on Mar 12, 2003 at 06:05 UTC
    • Polly - for the TMTOWTDI and to go with Parrot.
    • GEaH - Green Eggs and Ham. Looks icky, try it and you'll like it.
    • P - just plain practical.
Re: (Humor) A New Name for Perl 6
by Popcorn Dave (Abbot) on Mar 12, 2003 at 06:15 UTC
    How about P6 before Intel grabs the name? Or have they already?

    There is no emoticon for what I'm feeling now.

      How about P6 before Intel grabs the name? Or have they already?

      Yes, they have. It was used to talk about the Pentium Pro CPU, and the Pentium Classic was the P5. IIRC, that scheme of numbering kind of disappeared after that.


      davis
      Is this going out live?
      No, Homer, very few cartoons are broadcast live - it's a terrible strain on the animator's wrist
Re: (Humor) A New Name for Perl 6
by nite_man (Deacon) on Mar 12, 2003 at 10:03 UTC
    I would like to offer my variant of new Perl name:

    XPerl

    which is abridgment from eXpand Perl.
    
    ====>
    Mice were crying and stinging but went on nibbling the cactus ... 
                                                  ( The facts of life )
                                                                  <====
    
    
      In that case, we should call it EPerl, for Expanded Perl. I'm just a stickler for proper abbreviation and spelling, I suppose -- and quite thoroughly over all this annoying "X makes it sell better!" nonsense.

      Of course, we could make it "hip" by calling it ePerl, I suppose. While I'm at it, we could offer it in fruity color schemes and call it iPerl. On the other hand, Apple probably already has that name registered as a trademark.

      - apotheon
      CopyWrite Chad Perrin

        Unfortunately, the "X-factor" is a relatively well-known and verified marketing gimmick. The "eFactor" is probably passe as a relic of the dotBomb era. The "iFactor" has some merit, but runs afoul of both Apple and variable naming conventions for integer types.

        How about: "The language formerly known as {unpronouncable symbol}" ... carries a certain mystique, and stylishly reduces to simply "The Language."

Re: (Humor) A New Name for Perl 6
by mowgli (Friar) on Mar 12, 2003 at 10:34 UTC

    How about Purrl? :)

    --
    mowgli

Re: (Humor) A New Name for Perl 6
by theorbtwo (Prior) on Mar 12, 2003 at 10:58 UTC

    dimond: like perl, but so much more impressive.


    Warning: Unless otherwise stated, code is untested. Do not use without understanding. Code is posted in the hopes it is useful, but without warranty. All copyrights are relinquished into the public domain unless otherwise stated. I am not an angel. I am capable of error, and err on a fairly regular basis. If I made a mistake, please let me know (such as by replying to this node).

      Hm, chip is/was leading a project named Topaz, that was going to be a re-implementation of Perl 5 in C++. Doesn't look he's working on it actively, though: the latest download version is dated April 2000.

Re: (Humor) A New Name for Perl 6
by crazyinsomniac (Prior) on Mar 12, 2003 at 11:21 UTC

      In the same spirit:

      • phat -- Perl has advanced terrifically

      davis
      Is this going out live?
      No, Homer, very few cartoons are broadcast live - it's a terrible strain on the animator's wrist
Re: (Humor) A New Name for Perl 6
by nite_man (Deacon) on Mar 12, 2003 at 12:44 UTC
    How about Perl GTi like a marking of 'charged' version of sport cars :-)
    ---> SV* sv_bless(SV* sv, HV* stash);
      How about Perl GTi like a marking of 'charged' version of sport cars :-)

      How about Perl type R? Everyone knows that adding a "type R" badge to something makes it faster, sexier, and just plain l33ter.

      --
      Tongue firmly in cheek,
      F o x t r o t U n i f o r m

        Perl LX: the luxury model

        for extra power and fuel efficiency . . . Perl D: the diesel-powered Perl

        - apotheon
        CopyWrite Chad Perrin
Re: (Humor) A New Name for Perl 6
by crenz (Priest) on Mar 12, 2003 at 13:01 UTC

    How about PERL. A lot of people seem to be talking about it these days.

Re: (Humor) A New Name for Perl 6
by jacques (Priest) on Mar 12, 2003 at 13:53 UTC
    PHava #

    It's buzzword compliant and sounds Hawaiian, a good match for Parrot.

      I had my servlets with some PHava beans and a nice chianti...<sfft> <sffft> <sfffft>...

      Can you hear the lambs, Clarice?

      Matt

      If we're gonna have Parrot, why not call it Head. Of course, then we'd have to start referring to a buffer as a Buffet.
Re: (Humor) A New Name for Perl 6
by Mr. Muskrat (Abbot) on Mar 12, 2003 at 15:00 UTC

    º

    Look everybody!!! It's the language that was formerly known as Perl 5!
    * the crowd goes wild.

Re: (Humor) A New Name for Perl 6
by Anonymous Monk on Mar 12, 2003 at 16:29 UTC
Re: (Humor) A New Name for Perl 6
by thelenm (Vicar) on Mar 12, 2003 at 16:54 UTC
    How about Visual P++?

    -- Mike

    --
    just,my${.02}

Re: (Humor) A New Name for Perl 6
by JayBonci (Curate) on Mar 12, 2003 at 17:08 UTC
    Whereas I read somewhere something to the tune of "perl is the only language that can parse perl", I propose:

    perl: Perl-enhanced report language

    Which I think sums up the changes nicely.

        --jaybonci
      That's Perl5. Perl6 will be able to parse itself easily.
      In that spirit:
      pirl: particularly inimitable rubbish lister
      pers: pathologically eclectic rubbish sorter
      purl: practical useful report language
      erl: enhanced rubbish lister

      - apotheon
      CopyWrite Chad Perrin
Re: (Humor) A New Name for Perl 6
by Acolyte (Hermit) on Mar 12, 2003 at 18:01 UTC
    Oyster - It contains previous versions of Perl and so much more...

    Update: Possible acronym - "Oh Yeah, Still Tractably Extracts Reports".

    Any other good acronyms out there that might fit?

    Acolyte
    Studying at the feet of the masters
Re: (Humor) A New Name for Perl 6
by particle (Vicar) on Mar 12, 2003 at 18:13 UTC

    how about 'pony' -- now everybody will have one!

    ~Particle *accelerates*

Re: (Humor) A New Name for Perl 6
by gmpassos (Priest) on Mar 12, 2003 at 18:19 UTC
    How about Perl6?! Before Perl5, we had Perl4. Who really know Perl, know that from 4 to 5 we have a "new" language. We are just following what was done before.

    Note that Perl6 will be done after test a lot of ideas and theories that was used in the last 10 years! Today we know what the best choices to do.

    Other thing, since Perl6 will run over Parrot, and to do that we need to convert our Perl6 code to Parrot assembly. Why not make a converter from Perl5 to Parrot assembly too?

    And we are free to make an hybrid of Perl5 and Perl6 too! Perl5X (X from ex, ex from hexagon).

    Graciliano M. P.
    "The creativity is the expression of the liberty".

      Nah, if it's something less than Perl, it'd have to be decremented as a string, which leaves us with Perk, with vague connotations of Java-like restrictions.

      On the other hand, if you increment Perl, you get things like Perm, Pern, Pero, Perp, Perq, Perr, Pers, Pert, Peru, Perv, Perw, Perx, Pery, Perz, many of which have interesting associations...

Re: (Humor) A New Name for Perl 6
by Abigail-II (Bishop) on Mar 12, 2003 at 21:29 UTC
    PNP, which stands for PNP is not Perl.

    Abigail

      Please say you're joking. Calling GNU GNU set free software back 20 years.

      Marketing, people. It counts.

      I refuse to refer to Perl 6 by the same abbreviation used to reference Microsoft plug and pray technology.

      - apotheon
      CopyWrite Chad Perrin
Re: (Humor) A New Name for Perl 6
by webfiend (Vicar) on Mar 13, 2003 at 01:35 UTC

    ESCARGOT

    Everybody Stop Complaining Already - Really, Go Over There

    Best I could come up with at the moment...


    I just realized that I was using the same sig for nearly three years.

Re: (Humor) A New Name for Perl 6
by fredopalus (Friar) on Mar 13, 2003 at 01:58 UTC
    There's always Pearl: The 'Shiny' Perl.
      Only one problem with that, it's already taken. Larry originally wanted perl to be pearl, but it was already taken (Process and Experiment Automation Realtime Language).


      MJD says you can't just make shit up and expect the computer to know what you mean, retardo!
      I run a Win32 PPM repository for perl 5.6x+5.8x. I take requests.
      ** The Third rule of perl club is a statement of fact: pod is sexy.

Re: (Humor) A New Name for Perl 6
by BrowserUk (Pope) on Mar 13, 2003 at 06:04 UTC

    Perl VI

    :The Saga Continues

    • Current state
      • Virtual Incarnation
      • Very Interesting
    • Design goals
      • Verbosity Inessential
      • Versatility Incorporated
      • Vanquished Irregularity
    • (hopefully) Final outcome
      • Vastly Improved.
      • Versatile, Indulgent.
      • Voraciously inclusive.

    Examine what is said, not who speaks.
    1) When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible, he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong.
    2) The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little way past them into the impossible
    3) Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
    Arthur C. Clarke.


      Perl VI - The Future

      The language that integrates human and computer !

      Mago
      mago@rio.pm.org


Re: (Humor) A New Name for Perl 6
by Ctrl-z (Friar) on Mar 13, 2003 at 11:49 UTC
    Peril
    one for the extreme programmers!. Actually, this is how the original sounds with my accent.

    PEE
    ala J2EE, but with connotations of the UKism for urinating ;)

    time for more coffee methinks...


    time was, I could move my arms like a bird and...
      I'm surprised nobody has proposed Perl# yet.

      I know most of you hate Bill G, but C# is a pretty nice language that has borrowed a lot from Delphi, and , yes, perl. In fact most of Dot net resembels perl modules!.

      > Peril
      It was on the basis of this that I was going to call my "better Perl" Dangr. Yes, I know it would not have caught on. ;-)
Re: (Humor) A New Name for Perl 6
by Anonymous Monk on Mar 13, 2003 at 20:02 UTC
    OPP

    As in Other People's Perl. Then we monks could chant:

    "Ya down with O-P-P?"
    "Yeah, you know me!!"

    (Thank goodness for AM.)

      As in Other People's Perl. Then we monks could chant: "Ya down with O-P-P?" "Yeah, you know me!!"

      Yes. Then we could all get hit by a bus and prove Darwin right ;-)

Re: (Humor) A New Name for Perl 6
by Anonymous Monk on Mar 14, 2003 at 03:09 UTC
    Head

    So Perl programmers could be called "Parrotheads", in homage to Jimmy Buffet . . . Okay, this thread has gone on long enough, pass me another margarita.

      Not sure I'd want a name that lends itself to so many sexual innuendoes…

      Makeshifts last the longest.

Re: (Humor) A New Name for Perl 6
by Juerd (Abbot) on Mar 22, 2003 at 23:12 UTC

    Let's call Perl 6 "Perl 6".

      That's almost as funny as your Christmas post! Your one wild a crazy guy Junerd!
Re: (Humor) A New Name for Perl 6
by Anonymous Monk on Mar 25, 2003 at 22:27 UTC
    What about the obvisious!
    POOP Perl Object Oriented Programming!

      Hmm. "obvisious" reminds me of another word I rarely find need for but needed today - Lubricious.

      (added the word "obvisious")

      Or, more seriously, we could just call it Object Perl.

      - apotheon
      CopyWrite Chad Perrin
Re: (Humor) A New Name for Perl 6
by Anonymous Monk on Mar 25, 2003 at 23:05 UTC
    What about POT Program Obfuscation Tool
Re: (Humor) A New Name for Perl 6
by stefp (Vicar) on Mar 26, 2003 at 02:20 UTC
    To keep up with Pea?rl and other Ruby...

    Opal: Object Perl, Another Language.

    It would make clear that Opal it is a PONG (Perl Objectifed New Generation).

    The logo would be pal within a big O making cleary that Opal is friendly: Opal is Our pal.

    Well, there is already an Opal language and an Opal operating system. But who cares, a camel can be bullish. :)

    -- stefp

      If it wasn't for the fact that Opal is already taken, I'd be all over this one. I like it a lot, both because of the thematic progression from "pe(a)rl" to "opal" and the "object perl" reference, which is one I've been thinking might be a good name for it.

      - apotheon
      CopyWrite Chad Perrin
        How about "Ocaml"? The best part is, it's already finished. ;-)
Re: (Humor) A New Name for Perl 6
by ggg (Scribe) on Oct 18, 2004 at 05:19 UTC
  • YAP - Yet another Perl
  • Or similar,
  • YAPerl - Yet another Perl
  • ggg
Re: (Humor) A New Name for Perl 6
by coreolyn (Parson) on Oct 18, 2004 at 14:01 UTC
Cultured Perl
by Brother Otto (Initiate) on Jan 03, 2005 at 12:16 UTC
    Just thinking now.. - Daughter of Perl - Black Perl but perhaps best in this vein .. - Cultured Perl
Re: (Humor) A New Name for Perl 6
by ambrus (Abbot) on Jan 03, 2005 at 13:07 UTC
    • Scarlet
    • Newperl
    • !Perl
    • Perl7 (there's such a large gap between it and perl5)
Re: (Humor) A New Name for Perl 6
by TedPride (Priest) on Jan 03, 2005 at 13:20 UTC
    Well, there's HTML and XHTML - why not Perl and XPerl? You need a name that associates it with older versions of Perl, yet at the same time clearly says that the new version is significantly different.
      The "X" in "XHTML" has a significance though. It means "based on XML rather than (almost) on SGML".

      There'd be no equivalent for Perl vs XPerl. Plus, XPerl sounds like "the former Perl" when you pronounce it.

      -- Randal L. Schwartz, Perl hacker
      Be sure to read my standard disclaimer if this is a reply.


        XPerl - eXtreme Perl !

        Mago
        mago@rio.pm.org


Re: (Humor) A New Name for Perl 6
by wolfger (Deacon) on Jan 15, 2005 at 15:33 UTC

    In time honored tradition, we should call in PINP. Perl6 Is Not Perl5.


    --
    Linux, sci-fi, and Nat Torkington, all at Penguicon 3.0
    perl -e 'print(map(chr,(0x4a,0x41,0x50,0x48,0xa)))'

      How about Perl6 Is More Perl?

      Makeshifts last the longest.

Re: (Humor) A New Name for Perl 6
by Solo (Deacon) on Jan 17, 2005 at 22:13 UTC
    I nominate Paco!

    (Perl with Attributes, Coroutines and Objects, if you must)

    --Solo

    --
    You said you wanted to be around when I made a mistake; well, this could be it, sweetheart.
Re: (Humor) A New Name for Perl 6
by g0n (Priest) on Jan 18, 2005 at 09:29 UTC
    Lerp? (Lead Replacement Perl).
Re: (Humor) A New Name for Perl 6
by r34d0nl1 (Pilgrim) on Jan 18, 2005 at 15:33 UTC
    I liked
    YAPerlV - Yet Another Perl Version
    JAVAPerl - Just Another Version of the Amabile Perl
    P6NPerl - Perl 6 is not Perl
Re: (Humor) A New Name for Perl 7
by fraktalisman (Hermit) on Jan 18, 2005 at 17:12 UTC
    A Netscapish new name could be Perl 7 (because it took time to build and will be so much better) ...

    Nice to see so many other new names! I really liked The Language (formerly known as Perl) and Opal, although Opal reminds me of the German car brand Opel.
Re: (Humor) A New Name for Perl 6
by wolfger (Deacon) on Jan 18, 2005 at 17:50 UTC

    I can't believe no Perl 5 die-hard has suggested this yet, so here it goes:
    Faux Perl


    --
    Linux, sci-fi, and Nat Torkington, all at Penguicon 3.0
    perl -e 'print(map(chr,(0x4a,0x41,0x50,0x48,0xa)))'
Re: (Humor) A New Name for Perl 6
by tphyahoo (Vicar) on May 11, 2005 at 14:27 UTC
    Grammar Rule Object Parser Engine?
    Grammar Rule Object Event Parser?
    Grammar Rule Iterative Machine?
Re: (Humor) A New Name for Perl 6
by gellyfish (Monsignor) on May 11, 2005 at 15:06 UTC
Re: (Humor) A New Name for Perl 6
by tphyahoo (Vicar) on May 17, 2005 at 09:17 UTC
    THUGS: Testing Haskell Under Great Stress.

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