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Re: Re: Emacs, Elisp and PerlMonks

by Elian (Parson)
on Mar 22, 2003 at 16:53 UTC ( #245173=note: print w/ replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to Re: Emacs, Elisp and PerlMonks
in thread Emacs, Elisp and PerlMonks

Oh god, what have we become? Last time I checked, emacs was a text editor.
Wow, and I thought I was old. Silly rabbit, Emacs hasn't really been a text editor for a couple of decades. It's a Lisp-based operating system with a souped-up version of ReadLine built in. (Those aren't so much text editing buffers as really fancy TTYs...)

Just remember, the fight isn't vi vs. Emacs. It's Windows vs Emacs.


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Re: Re: Re: Emacs, Elisp and PerlMonks
by Anonymous Monk on Mar 22, 2003 at 18:49 UTC
    It's Windows vs Emacs.

    Ha, well said. However, a text-editor that's fucked up on crack is still a text-editor. Yeah, it has lisp built in. Yeah, you can quadruple the size of a distro just by including it, but what does it do? What makes it better than my little text editor? Seems to me emacs has become more like those bloated Java IDEs floating around everywhere that are only used by people who are "expert" frontpage and word "programmers." I see no advantage to it. Maybe I'm just getting too old.

    Oh, and vi isn't any better, actually I can say more decisively it sucks.

    Silly rabbit...

    Emacs is for kids.

      Well, try programming in Common Lisp + (X)emacs + ILisp vs. Common Lisp + other editor and see if you still think there is no advantage to it. Or for that matter any language that allows one to work interactively - there is good integration available for the likes of SML, OCaml and many others.
      No, it does not have "lisp built in". It is lisp. Emacs is a lisp engine that happens to let you edit text with a bajillion (or more) modes for different filetypes and applications.

      Emacs is not for kids...its for people who are serious about editing text.

      Seriously.

      If all you need is a GUI application that lets you type text, then you aren't serious about manipulating text.

        Emacs is a lisp engine that happens to let you edit text with a bajillion (or more) modes for different filetypes and applications.
        The lisp engine is really useful indeed - now if it had a good editor, that would be perfect. ;)

        Makeshifts last the longest.

        If all you need is a GUI application that lets you type text, then you aren't serious about manipulating text.

        Ah, the Slackware/Gentoo argument. Yes... I remember these:

        h4x0r: slackware/gentoo r0x0rs - RedHate is for n00bs me: why? h4x0r: because it's not 1337 me: why? h4x0r: because serious h4x0rs use slackware/gentoo me: what can they do with it that I can't do with RedHat h4x0r: ummm... me: spending 3 hours of tedious (yet straightforward) time installing +doesn't make something useful. h4x0r: serious h4x0rs use slackware/gentoo me: go away

        Same deal. As for "serious text editing" I use Perl, hit up cpan, write the scripts as reuseable components, and laugh at everyone else like so: ha haha ha.

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