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Re: Open Source Funding: Developing Countries Better?

by woolfy (Hermit)
on Aug 24, 2003 at 08:26 UTC ( #286173=note: print w/ replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to Open Source Funding: Developing Countries Better?

I think there are more "hands" in this.

There is an egoistic hand: why would we support people in another part of the world to build a software industry that will be cheaper than our own, which will do the same with other industries in the west: cars, computers, home electronics, etc.

There is the practical hand. Some people in Korea, India and perhaps other countries already get funding for their work. Ridiculously low amounts of money, with which they can live and work for a year, and for which we would shrug, like, I can buy just a dozen of DVD's, so are you kidding me? So, the practical hand says darn it, why not, it is helping Perl, it is really helping them.

Than we also have a paranoid hand. Are we sure we can trust those people? India has nuclear arms and is fighting Pakistan all the time (and vice versa of course). Of course, this has little to do with Perl, it is pure politics. India is a democracy. Korea too. But they are not "open" democracies, the governments are quite restrictive. And there's a lot of corruption, really a lot.

Yet another hand, this time it's fatalistic. Money to developing countries way too often disappears into a deep dark pit. No effect in the long run. Most of the time, only the people that "did their thing" by themself, survive, build a strong company/group that grows. Why fund more money that's not going to make a difference.

The last hand I can think of is the control freak hand. Are any enforcable and controllable obligations connected to this type of funding? What harm will the control and pressure do to the creative process, or would it be motivating. Would the control put the funding party really in control, or is cheating too easy, or is that just looking too much at the bad side of humanity.

Talk to the hand. But to which hand... I'm in doubt. What good did funding do to our western developers?

In principle, I favor funding like this. But I have seen too many examples of funding without result, even funding with a negative effect. I call for caution and a moderate type of control and a contract with obligations.


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Re: Open Source Funding: Developing Countries Better?
by Abigail-II (Bishop) on Aug 24, 2003 at 12:38 UTC
    Are we sure we can trust those people? India has nuclear arms and is fighting Pakistan all the time (and vice versa of course). Of course, this has little to do with Perl, it is pure politics. India is a democracy. Korea too. But they are not "open" democracies, the governments are quite restrictive. And there's a lot of corruption, really a lot.

    The USA has more nuclear arms than India and Pakistan combined, has fought more wars than both countries combined since their independence, and has fought more wars in the last couple of years as well. As for "open" democracy and corruption, the USA doesn't have a spotless record either. Far from that, actually.

    Abigail

      I completely agree with your remarks about how bad the USA in many aspects is. There is another side to that of course: several of the wars they fought were to liberate Europe and many other countries from ruthless regimes and dictators. And yes, some of those dictators came to power thanks to the USA. And so forth and so forth. We know the flame wars about this from usenet, I participated in some of them. To cut it short: I don't like the power and the ways of he USA all too much, and neither of those of the USSR, Russia, China and the old imperial powers of Britain, Holland and Spain. But I am glad it is the USA who is mightier than anybody in the world now and not the USSR or China, since the ways of the USA are more attractive to me than many other ways.

      It is Europe and the USA that has the people investing in people in India and Korea. It is thanks to many people in Europe and the USA that Korea and Japan are now mighty car, computer and household appliance builders. What's next, software from those countries is cheaper and perhaps better than ours?

      Do we mind that? As long as it is as open as Linux, Apache, Perl and many other open source developments, I don't mind. As long as those developers have a decent living, I don't mind too much either.

      I do mind if this makes the USA more paranoid than they already are. I do mind if this wreaks havoc amongst the lines of good programmers in the west, when western companies fire their programmers to use the low wage programmers as cheap labour. I do mind a lot of other things.

      This is going too much into politics for my taste. So, let me finish this by thinking how fortunate we are to be in a position to help guide this process into a civilized result, from which all sides can benefit. And that "the powers that be" have much less a say in this that they would like.

      Pakistan & India have few enough nuclear weapons to actually attack each other. Nobody in their right mind would attempt to attack the US, Russia or China with nuclear arms.

      Are you trying to say that US is as unstable as Pakistan, where there is a large and active armed insurgency or Korea, with a Stalinist dictatorship within artillery range of the capital?

      If so, you are quite mad.

Re: Re: Open Source Funding: Developing Countries Better?
by Anonymous Monk on Aug 24, 2003 at 20:47 UTC
    Are we sure we can trust those people?
    ...
    Money to developing countries way too often disappears into a deep dark pit.
    ...
    What good did funding do to our western developers?

    What a bunch of discriminatory FUD. Maybe you'd see this type of thing on Slashdot at -1, but Perlmonks? The fact this isn't on Worst Nodes says some extremely bad things about this site. I'm out of here.

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