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How to deal with Perl Demons

by wombat (Curate)
on Aug 23, 2000 at 22:45 UTC ( #29289=perlmeditation: print w/ replies, xml ) Need Help??

I've been having some difficulties at work lately. It stems from the IS admin, a nice fellow of a man. I won't use his real name. I'll call him J'oe, for that's a contraction of John Doe, after all.

J'oe is a good man. Happy, cheerful, caught in the line between Geek and Mundane. (Or Muggle if you're a Potter-ite) J'oe however does not like Perl. I've tried to show him the happiness I find from Perl. I design the webpage at my work, and have built a few trinkets and geegaws in the blessed language. I recently asked J'oe if he would approve a $500 departmental expense to get a cheap Linux box, so that I could move the Perl code off my machine at home (A mere 486). J'oe didn't go for it. He said he really didn't want to install a Linux machine on the network. I don't think J'oe embraces the penguin. He told me I could use ASP for my dynamic webpage coding. And third party software like "Tango" for the DB processing and CGI programs. How appropriate that a Perl demon deals in asps.

I told J'oe that I would do things his way. I want to learn ASP anyway and this will be useful. But oh my fellow monks. How, I ask you, how do we best approach those who do not see the blessed light of PERL? It's my language of choice. It's easy to use and it's free! I have yet to see an www.aspmonks.org site.

How can we help people like J'oe? How can we get them to "hug the penguin"?

May all your perls be round and shiny.
~W

Comment on How to deal with Perl Demons
RE: How to deal with Perl Demons
by maverick (Curate) on Aug 23, 2000 at 22:55 UTC
    It is quite possible that J'oe has had his mind clouded by the FUD of the Dark Side. He speaks as one who's thoughts are not really his own, reguritation the tired old mantra of the Proprietary.

    One recourse young Jedi is bring your 486 to work and let him behold the Power of The Light Side.

    Fear leads to a closed mind, closed mind leads to closed source, closed source leads to MS.

    /\/\averick

(ZZamboni: Perl is not Linux) RE: How to deal with Perl Demons
by ZZamboni (Curate) on Aug 24, 2000 at 00:05 UTC
    You could try sharing with him some real-corporate-world Perl success stories. There is an article at oreilly.com about UniCredito Italiano, an Italian Bank that is using Perl. You could also check out O'Reilly's Perl success stories, which contains more of those.

    That said, be aware that liking Perl is not the same as liking Linux. I love Perl, but I consider Linux to be just another version of Unix. I routinely use Solaris, Linux, NEXTSTEP, OpenBSD and MacOS, and use Perl under all of those. Maybe J'oe is one of those who immediately associate Perl with Linux, and because he doesn't like Linux (for whatever reason), he extends the dislike to Perl. Show him that Perl can be useful under almost any other platform, and maybe he will see it with new eyes.

    --ZZamboni

RE: How to deal with Perl Demons
by BlueLines (Hermit) on Aug 24, 2000 at 04:34 UTC
    I have yet to see an www.aspmonks.org site

    you may see www.aspmonks.com though...
    nooky:~$ whois aspmonks.com@whois.networksolutions.com Chris Cormier (ASPMONKS-COM-DOM) 27 Shadyridge Pl Kitchener, Ontario N2N3J1 CA Domain Name: ASPMONKS.COM Administrative Contact: Chris Cormier (CC425-BR) noxious@home.com Chris Cormier 48 Chapeltown Cr. Bsmt. Scarborough, Ontario M1W3A7 CA Phone- 416-891-2918 Fax- Technical Contact: Chris Cormier (CC425-BR) noxious@home.com Chris Cormier 48 Chapeltown Cr. Bsmt. Scarborough, Ontario M1W3A7 CA Phone- 416-891-2918 Fax- Record updated on 2000-03-15. Record created on 2000-03-15. Record expires on 2001-03-15. Database last updated on 2000-08-23 03:53:13 EST. Domain servers in listed order: NS.BULKREGISTER.COM 216.147.43.234 NS2.BULKREGISTER.COM 216.147.1.164


    BlueLines

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RE: How to deal with Perl Demons
by Corion (Pope) on Aug 24, 2000 at 12:26 UTC

    There is always the wonder of ActivePerl (from ActiveState) which works under Win32 (Win9x and NT) and which can be plugged into IIS or run standalone (also as CGI under any Win32 webserver).

    That way J'oe could keep his Win32 environment and you could use Perl for your scripts - even in ASPs, if that's a matter.

    Note that the Penguin is not the be-all end-all thing, and many people are rightfully reluctant towards the Penguin because of its followers - be careful and know the Linux-Advocacy-Howto if you think about promoting Linux. But I think promoting Linux is plain the wrong path. Perl and administration is always the question of the right tool for the task - and Linux is just a vessel Perl runs on, just like Win32.

RE: How to deal with Perl Demons
by lindex (Friar) on Aug 24, 2000 at 16:50 UTC

    Sounds like you have a case of "admin is an admin for the money". This is a matter that is bothered me for a while now, there are so many ppl in the industry now a'days (I say with only 5 years xp, hehehe) that are not really into what they are doing. I think it should be a policy that hence forth no company shall hire an admin that does not have at least a 5 machine personal network at home, and neglects friends/girlfiends/family to sit at a computer and be a nerd. Any person (in my judgement) that is this type of admin would have to know the wonders of perl & unix.

    So my advice for you, talk to you boss, have him fire the admin and hire someone who knows the power of perl and unix :)

    But then agian, thats just my opinion :)



    lindex
    /****************************/ jason@gost.net, wh@ckz.org http://jason.gost.net /*****************************/
RE: How to deal with Perl Demons
by nivlac (Scribe) on Aug 24, 2000 at 17:33 UTC
    Step 1: Buy a copy of the Camel book. You should already have a copy, but buy a new copy, trust me.
    Step 2: Give new copy of book to the ignorant. Tell them to read the book.
    Step 3: If they read the book, and are convinced, Kaloo Kalay Happy Day they're a convert. Skip to the last step.
    Step 4: If they read the book and are not convinced, or they refuse to read the book, take the book back. Grip the book strongly, and procede to beat some sense into them with the book.
    Step 5: Return to Step 3 as needed.
    Step 6: Congratulations, you've got a Perl server. Code to your hearts content. Denpending on the actions taken, calling 911 might be a good idea.
RE: How to deal with Perl Demons
by randomblue (Beadle) on Aug 24, 2000 at 22:54 UTC

    I'd start nice and easy..

    Drop hints here and there. Magazine/Web articles on cubicle walls. Comments like "Ah, I'll just write a Perl script to do that". Make Perl a household name.

    Emphasize that Perl is happily at home on a Win32 machine. Maybe he won't agree to a Linux box, but will agree to Windows running Apache and Perl. There are times when we have to compromise.

    Bring in your 486 and show him how much power you can squeeze out of such a measly machine. Say "heck, I couldn't even run Win98 on it, and look -- it's a webserver/mailserver/etc. all in one. Let's see you do that with Win2000!"

    Do learn ASP so that you can competently point out how Perl is better. ASP might come in handy anyway.

    And, hey, nothing works better than plain, old, drop-by-drop brainwashing. Day by day, we're subverting one of the religious NT zealots in our department to say "Yah! Linux roolz!" with progressively less sarcasm, using the abovementioned techniques. Good luck! :o)

RE: How to deal with Perl Demons
by Anonymous Monk on Aug 25, 2000 at 17:49 UTC
    Why the gnashing of teeth over ASP? Use ASP and set <%@ Language=PerlScript %>. PerlScript is easily available from ActiveState. ASP and Perl play together very nicely. Much better than that gawd-awful VBScript.

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