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RE: RE (tilly) 3: Eulogy for the chatterbox

by Ozymandias (Hermit)
on Aug 25, 2000 at 23:12 UTC ( #29704=note: print w/ replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to RE (tilly) 3: Eulogy for the chatterbox
in thread Eulogy for the chatterbox

Oh, never mind. You aren't going to pay attention anyway. It's really quite simple, though. Allow just about anything that doesn't damage the site. Then simply use the community to regulate what is said and what is not. That's getting harder, lately; perhaps we need "cops" to help control some of the out-of-hand discussion. Better that than to limit everyone because of a few people.

- email Ozymandias


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RE (tilly) 5: Eulogy for the chatterbox
by tilly (Archbishop) on Aug 25, 2000 at 23:21 UTC
    The fact that we disagree does not mean that I am wrong.

    What I and perlipc are talking about is the attitude that you want each person to aim for. High or low. IMNSHO most would-be cops are worse problems than the problems they purport to solve in the first place. And most people who volunteer themselves as cops earn my immediate distrust.

    That opinion is based on years of experience and thought, both online and off.

    BTW have the pleasure of the last word. I would like to get back to doing work I get paid for in cash, and helping people out which I get paid for by people thanking me. The latter is, at least to my understanding, what this site is supposed to be about, isn't it?

      "most people who volunteer themselves as cops earn my immediate distrust."

      I have found this to be very true. Sometimes, however "cops" are needed.
      We just have to find a better selection method. It would be a pity if the chatterbox was reduced to watching every word you said in an argument for fear that you would get banned from the box.
      Oh well, whatever .

      My .2 cents

      She-wolf
      "Wha? I don't get it."

      The fact that we disagree does mean you are wrong - from my point of view. Whether my point of view is correct or not is another matter, but one to be settled from the points and the facts, not by twisting the story to put words in my mouth.

      I apologize for the opening comment in my post, but look at it from my perspective; I said cops may be necessary, and preferable to the kinds of rules and restrictions you seemed to be advocating, not that I'd like to be one. As a matter of fact, I'd be terrible for the job; I don't frequent the chatterbox much, I'm intolerant of certain types of behavior that the community may believe is acceptable, and finally, I don't WANT the job. Did I call it or what?

      As for expecting behavior, you can try to influence behavior, but rules aren't going to do that. You should know better, with all those years of experience and thought. Rules cause resentment, particularly from those who previously used the features and actions you block; rules cause troublemakers to look for ways around them, and for formerly "good" people to rebel against the tightening boundaries on their freedom.

      You influence behavior by actions. That can mean rewarding good behavior and/or punishing bad, it can mean setting examples for others to follow, it can mean the community punishing individual members who practice "bad behavior". In other words, "cops", even if you call them "moderators" or "role models", and even if it's the community policing itself.

      - email Ozymandias
(Ovid) Irony: a verbal assault in a thread against verbal assaults.
by Ovid (Cardinal) on Aug 26, 2000 at 00:54 UTC
    Oh, never mind. You aren't going to pay attention anyway.

    Ozymandias, can you appreciate the irony of the above statement in light of the point of this thread? Please, attack the message if you must, but not the messenger.

    Cheers,
    Ovid

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