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RE:(5) Reputation Viewing Option?

by swiftone (Curate)
on Aug 31, 2000 at 00:14 UTC ( #30394=note: print w/ replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to RE: RE: RE: RE: Reputation Viewing Option?
in thread Reputation Viewing Option?

Whenever I have ever asked questions on mass forums, I would always try ones that looked best, or looked usable. I wouldn't use something just because a group of people (from which you don't know their skill levels) seemed to think it is best. I even try answers I see on this site before ++'ing or --'ing a post simply to make sure I see it work or not work

True, and good advice, but I don't like hiding rep just because it MIGHT be misunderstood, while there is a reason why it would be good to know the rep. (Besides, what happens when you have two nodes, -10 and -15? Sorting doesn't tell you the useful parts)

Basically reputation is a means of communicating to the user, and it is hidden. There is an entire structure dedicated towards maintaining that repuation, but it's primary informative usage has been cut off.


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RE: RE:(5) Reputation Viewing Option?
by KM (Priest) on Aug 31, 2000 at 00:26 UTC
    Besides, what happens when you have two nodes, -10 and -15? Sorting doesn't tell you the useful parts

    I still wonder why posts with that type of rep don't simply get auto-deleted, since they are likely useless. But, if those two posts are part of 7, the sort would put them on the bottom.

    Basically reputation is a means of communicating to the user, and it is hidden. There is an entire structure dedicated towards maintaining that repuation, but it's primary informative usage has been cut off.

    Agreed. Yet knowing the rep could be harmful. Although, I don't think knowing the actual rep number is so useful. I see plently of posts with a rep of 2 which are great, and some at 20 which I don't think are any better. So, what is there to do? I would suggest adding the sort feature to each page (it is already in the User Settings), deleting posts of -10 (or less) automatically, and maybe even some pretty little icons representing a 'range' of rep next to the posts title. For example, 0-2 have nothing, 3-9 have a star, 10-19 have two stars, 20-29 have three, etc... all -- nodes would have a big unhappy face next to them. Or a image of Mr. Yuk.

    Cheers,
    KM

      I still wonder why posts with that type of rep don't simply get auto-deleted, since they are likely useless. But, if those two posts are part of 7, the sort would put them on the bottom.

      I suspected when I typed that that my point would be missed. Knowing that two posts fall in a certain order does not tell you everything you want to know. Replace the above negative numbers with -2 and -5, or whatever low-but-not-too-low nubmers you find adequate. And lets just say that they aren't part of 5, or 7, or 20, or any other large number that makes them irrelevant.

      Yet knowing the rep could be harmful.
      How? I'll grant you the point of the "snowball" effect, but if you use the suggested method and sacrifice your vote to see rep, it doesn't happen. (The above twisted scenarios with someone with two accounts with voting privileges, one of which is used primarily to snowball, sounds too twisted to really worry about. As someone said, anyone with two voting accounts doesn't need to go through such hoops to try to skew the system)

      Although, I don't think knowing the actual rep number is so useful.
      True, a 7 and a 10 don't have much distinction. But now I know that, while a 20 sorted above a 1 doesn't tell me that.

      I would suggest adding the sort feature to each page (it is already in the User Settings), deleting posts of -10 (or less) automatically, and maybe even some pretty little icons representing a 'range' of rep next to the posts title. For example, 0-2 have nothing, 3-9 have a star, 10-19 have two stars, 20-29 have three, etc... all -- nodes would have a big unhappy face next to them. Or a image of Mr. Yuk.

      So we could jump through all these hoops, including making those star levels relative to account for the vote inflation as PM becomes more popular...or we could just give the "not vote" option, and trust that 70% of our users continue to be reasonable people. I know which makes sense to me.

        lets just say that they aren't part of 5, or 7, or 20, or any other large number that makes them irrelevant.

        I see what you are saying, but Mr. Yuk is worth a thousand words! Or, all negative number posts have their negative number shown. I don't think showing the actual number for positive votes is needed. "Oh, this one must be useless since it only has a rep of 1", "This one with 15 votes must be correct", "Hmmm.. one 10 and five 3's. The 10 has to be better" are things I believe people would think, which would not be conducive to them learning. How?

        Because I believe the actual reps are influenced by author (we know of strange --'s for no good reason. I wouldn't be surprised if some are ++'d because of the author). And, more importantly, when a new user comes and sees a +15, s/he may ignore the +2's which could be answers of better caliber. Posts are judged on their own, not in relation to other posts in the thread, so later posts may not get the attention that those posted within an hour get, but be just as valuable. Simply knowing that people think it is a good, useful node should be enough and not form any bias.

        So we could jump through all these hoops, including making those star levels relative to account for the vote inflation as PM becomes more popular

        What hoops? Putting a little icon next to a post title? Seems like it is simply a nice visual way to help see possibly valuable posts, without seeing the actual rep. Why would we want a 'not vote' option? I would never use it, it would be a waste of a vote (especially for those in lower levels). My suggested solutions are only trying to help new users to Perl, and this site. Sorting and visual cues can really help someone find what they are looking for with more ease. Giving Yet Another Voting Option will not do this.

        Cheers,
        KM

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