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RE: RE (tilly) 1: Be a monkey!

by mischief (Hermit)
on Aug 31, 2000 at 16:42 UTC ( [id://30503]=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to RE (tilly) 1: Be a monkey!
in thread Be a monkey!

You might like to consider using The Infinite Monkey Protocol Suite (IMPS). (Two other papers that might be of interest are "The Mathematics of Monkeys and Shakespeare" and "More Monkey Business".)

I think that's enough monkeying around for today - my boss would go bananas if he knew I was spending all my time reading nutters.org.

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RE: RE: RE (tilly) 1: Be a monkey!
by mattr (Curate) on Sep 01, 2000 at 08:21 UTC
    We may need a mathematician or perhaps a physicist to devise a proper module for this purpose. The Infinite Monkey Protocol Suite obviously considers the use of subatomic monkeys and monkeys in multiple universes, hence the need for the I-TAG encoding needed to enumerate them all.

    This problem seems to closely resemble the programming necessary for quantum computers. Obviously if you need as many qubits (quantum bits) as there are letters in the longest document you seek to reproduce, you are in trouble since science has yet to produce more than a handful of qubits.

    But if you had the use of the 5 qubit computer IBM built last month, which is basically using five atom-sized monkeys in multiple universes, you could work on the problem five bits at a time (should be just enough to pick a character from the set of capital alphabet letters, the space key, and a few diacritical marks).

    In the words of the inventor of this quantum computer, words which little does he realize will soon be immortalized (!) through Perl and our application of the Infinite Monkey Protocol Suite,

    `A quantum computer could eventually be used for practical purposes such as database searches -- for example searching the Web could be sped up a great deal -- but probably not for more mundane tasks such as word processing,'' said Isaac Chuang, the IBM researcher who led the team of scientists from IBM, Stanford University and the University of Calgary.

    This open source effort could possibly be funded by a modest tax of 1/1000 of a penny per monkey provided, including all universes traversed by the protocol of course.

RE: RE: RE (tilly) 1: Be a monkey!
by gumpu (Friar) on Aug 31, 2000 at 18:21 UTC

    (Two other papers that might be of interest are "The Mathematics of Monkeys and Shakespeare" and "More Monkey Business".)

    Note that the argument against evolution presented in this last document is wrong. The chance that a work shakespeare is generated randomly is indeed almost zero. However it is rather easy to evolve a work of shakespeare, provided there is a way to select the works that look more like shakespear from works that look less then shakespeare.

    Have Fun

      I think you've missed the point of the essay - the fact that we are part of a system that is able to evolve is the remarkable thing.

        Could be. But he seems to claim that he can't understand how even the simplest organism springs into life. However all that that needs it any kind 'thing' (idea/molecule) that can replicate and some form of selective process. Out of that complex things will evolve. Be it novels or organisms. But this is getting way off topic for a perl discussion group! :) (email fslothouber@acm.org if you like to discuss this further).

        Have Fun

      Is it a surprise that the argument is wrong?

      I spent a few years on alt.atheism and friends, and without exception every last argument I saw against evolution showed some basic misunderstanding of biology, general science, math, or a combination of the above.

      I used to have a great essay, A Priori vs A Posteriori (or something like that) on alt.atheism I pointed people at for most of the statistical arguments. I used the copy on dejanews, but they are fubarred at the moment. If anyone can find it I would appreciate it.

      And yes, this is seriously OT for this site. Anyone with an interest in this should go to talk.origins and hash it out there. Or visit their website and learn some of the basics.

      EDIT
      A friend of mine just found it for me. Here is a copy. :-)

      Basically after a lot of math, the point is that the argument by design will only be convincing to people who already have some belief in God...

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