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Congrats to Erudil

by boo_radley (Parson)
on Jan 01, 2004 at 01:58 UTC ( #318064=monkdiscuss: print w/ replies, xml ) Need Help??

camel code just reached 500 reputation points.
Clearly, a lifetime achievment award of some sort is required.

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Re: Congrats to Erudil ... but maybe best nodes should be reviewed
by Anonymous Monk on Jan 01, 2004 at 10:20 UTC
    camel code just reached 500 reputation points.

    Without denying the merits of Erudil's masterpiece, which is indeed worth of everybody's attention, I must point out that a great share of such reputtion points are due to camel code being exposed in best nodes for years.

    Without such continuous advertising, no post, no matter how good, can reach such heights.

    Two years ago, some of those nodes had less than 200 reputation points. In that situation, managing to reach best nodes notoriety was not easy, but not impossible either.

    The last post to end up in that page was written in July 2002. Does it mean that no post worth of best nodes was produced ever since? I don't think so.

    Perhaps we should add a "best nodes of the year" section, so that the really good nodes have a chance of getting some of the attention they deserve.

      Perhaps we should add a "best nodes of the year" section, so that the really good nodes have a chance of getting some of the attention they deserve.

      Possibly. But I'd rather seem something like a "Hall Of Fame". Any node with a rep higher than say 200 would automatically be added to a special "Hall Of Fame YYYY" node and removed from the "Best nodes". One "Hall Of Fame YYYY" node would exist for each year, with maybe an index node to list all of the years. And such "Hall of Fame YYYY" node would not list by reputation, but by order of publication.

      Liz

        200 feels artificial. Over time the meaning of "200" has changed as the number of potential voters has increased.

        However I would like to see your proposals combined. I think that there is value in adding to the current hall of fame say the best nodes of the last month and last year. And further it would be nice to be able to go back and look at the Hall of Fame at any given week in the past.

        The value of that was brought home to me this Christmas when I first was busy and behind on PM, and then took over a week vacation. There is no way that I could reasonably skim the backlog, and I can't use "Best Nodes" to sample interesting conversations missed if I missed them by more than a week.

        I think that the site has grown to a point where a more intelligent "browsable interesting history" is worthwhile.

      I think the 'best nodes' idea, whether it be of the day, week, month, or year is conceptually a good one. It would be nice to be able to come in and skim 'the best' when one is in a hurry but I see two potential hurdles to the success of such a section.

      The first, being that reputation would likely be the only viable method for establishing placement into the category. We have all seen nodes that contain very little of substance that otherwise get a reputation boost either based on a witty comment, the author's status, or simply by being on the frontpage. While they may have been good posts worthy of the reputation earned, I hazard to guess that is not what many of us are envisioning as 'best nodes'...perhaps like the XP system, the good would generally rise to the top most of the time and this could be acceptable.

      Second, I wonder how a nodes placement into such a 'best nodes' category would artificially affect the reputation of that node? We already have many who push all their votes on the frontpaged nodes in an attempt to use up their votes and gain some XP. I suspect a 'best-nodes' section could end up being used in a similar manner....this might be alleviated by not being able to vote on the nodes listed in the section but requiring the user to click on the node and bring the entire thread up before voting.

      Of course, I still like the concept, but I think it needs some thought in order to be done properly.

        You'll find that Best Nodes (and Worst Nodes) already exist. If I have any serious concern about them, it's the number of items listed.

        Makeshifts last the longest.

Re: Congrats to Erudil
by Abigail-II (Bishop) on Jan 02, 2004 at 02:19 UTC
    What does it say about the quality of posts on this site, if the top post is a piece of obfuscated code? And, peeking at the 'best nodes ever' list, it's not the only piece of obfuscated code that is considered top material.

    So much for the "use strict" and "use warnings" school...

    Abigail

      And what does it say about Abigail when she's known as one of the greatest masters of the JAPH?

      Maybe what the best nodes ever list says is completely orthogonal to "use strict and warnings".

      Makeshifts last the longest.

      Maybe we should have 'best nodes' lists that allow us to display/exclude nodes from threads in certain areas. For example, I'm not an obfu writer, so I don't really care about best nodes in obfu. I do read Meditations, so I'd like to see Best Nodes limitable by that area. Maybe, as an option on the config section?

      As a nearly unrelated sidenote, it would be neat to have a grid in the config section where you choose which areas you want displayed. The rows would be the areas (Gates, Seekers, Meditations, Discussion, etc.) and the columns would be "Newest Nodes", "Best Nodes", "Mediation", etc. So, I could choose to have discussion on my newest nodes, but not in my best nodes.

      ------
      We are the carpenters and bricklayers of the Information Age.

      Please remember that I'm crufty and crochety. All opinions are purely mine and all code is untested, unless otherwise specified.

        I like the idea, as suggested by dragonchild, of a grid in the config section to allow a monk to choose which 'best nodes' to appear on his page. However I would like to see the idea extended to a separate node or web page with links to all those 'best nodes'. That way all such nodes could be accessed in one place at need.

        xenchu


        The Needs of the World and my Talents run parallel to infinity.
      So much for the "use strict" and "use warnings" school...

      Actually, Erudil's camel code uses strict and has warnings (-w). Being that thorough in an obfu definitely got my ++ :).

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