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Re^3: Random quotes in the top left corner

by mr_mischief (Monsignor)
on Apr 28, 2005 at 05:37 UTC ( #452222=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??

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That is a great counterexample. Note two things about that, too:

The complexity in an ecosystem comes from nature and not from man. The complexity of an ecosystem is such an obstacle to our full understanding of it that only in the last few decades have we started to understand the damage done to the systems via the damage done to their parts.

So, it's a great counterexample to one rule, and a great reinforcing example to another.

Christopher E. Stith
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Re^4: Random quotes in the top left corner
by Miss Brain (Acolyte) on Apr 28, 2005 at 14:21 UTC
    Furthermore from the ecosystem example, the simplest organisms are the ones which survive the longest. Cockroaches, one celled organisms. In nature as well, things break down. Complexity invites this :) Simple things are beautiful, elegant, rare...

      If you are saying cockroaches are rare, I'd like to invite you over to my place. :-)))

        I don't think I'd accept that invitation. Ew.

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Re^4: Random quotes in the top left corner
by ady (Deacon) on Apr 30, 2005 at 16:45 UTC
    The KISS principle could still be said to hold for biological systems, and for physical systems in a broader sense.

    Inorganic and organic components are in constant flux, --aggregate/grow, break/mutate, fuse/recombine, decompose/die, recompose/create over and over. Over time the stable constellations and processes dominate, and the fragile break and gets recycleced.

    To some degree it is the same with software. One of the most succesful ecosystems was and is Unix, to a large degree because of its clean design principles -- its kernel and shells structure and its proces & IPC model (I/O redirect, pipes, filters). The unix design is KISS, simple building blocks and interfaces. (and that shows in Perl too)

    The periodic system and DNA are relatively simple component toolkits too, when we look at the interfaces. The way to combine these bricks though are virtually endless, and even though the basic processes of (chemical and biological) attraction/repulsion, combination/selection are are simple too, the resulting combinatorial universe and thus complex systems are mind blowing, -- given enough time to evolve. From a cloud of Hydrogen to Mozart.

    We don't build software that way, yet. It will probably require the next generation of massively parallel computers combined with facilities to automatic program mutation (refactoring) and selection. And to master that kind of complexity will require an even stronger KISS focus on interfaces and basic processes than today.
    -- allan

    As the eternal tranquility of Truth reveals itself to us, this very place is the Land of Lotuses

    -- Hakuin Ekaku Zenji

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