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Re^2: Perl not BNF-able??

by pdcawley (Hermit)
on Jul 01, 2005 at 15:38 UTC ( #471757=note: print w/ replies, xml ) Need Help??


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Are you allowed to describe something you wrote yourself as seminal? I'm not disputing it's seminality you understand, just wondering about your qualifications to describe it thus.


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Re: Perl not BNF-able??
by jonadab (Parson) on Jul 02, 2005 at 23:54 UTC
    Are you allowed to describe something you wrote yourself as seminal?

    If enough other people (or the *right* other people) describe it that way first, and if you're bringing it up in a situation where it is clearly relevant (or someone else brought it up first), then yes. Not that it doesn't represent a certain amount of hubris, of course...

    (And no, I don't happen to know in this particular instance who else may or may not have so described the item in question first. I was just answering your question in the general manner in which it was stated.)

      Actually, I probably misused the word, because I had no idea what it meant until I just looked it up, other than "the thing most people refer to that most clearly defines something".

      So, seminal may not apply, but it's still the most clear collection of examples of how Perl parsing is not possible without executing some code, which would have answered your other question had you read it, and if you still haven't, I recommend reading it now.

      -- Randal L. Schwartz, Perl hacker
      Be sure to read my standard disclaimer if this is a reply.

Re^3: Perl not BNF-able??
by adamk (Chaplain) on Jul 04, 2005 at 03:28 UTC
    Well, it's seminal in the sense that he was the first person who could really be bothered to lay out a few of the main reasons in a readable way in a location that could easily be URL-referenced.

    I certainly refer people to it on a regular basis.
Re^3: Perl not BNF-able??
by willyyam (Priest) on Jul 04, 2005 at 16:20 UTC

    For something to be seminal it only has to be first, and with a thorough literature review one can claim seminality for one's own work.

    On a related note, not pertaining to the article in question; it is interesting to note how often "seminal" is confused with "good". There is great value in firsts, but they are frequently not good paragons of their form.

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