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When are you moving to India to find a better job?

by DrWhy (Chaplain)
on Sep 06, 2005 at 17:52 UTC ( #489623=poll: print w/ replies, xml ) Need Help??

vote on When are you moving to India to find a better job?

Next month.
[bar] 2/1%
Next year.
[bar] 3/2%
When the company decides to outsouce my boss's job, so I can get him to train me to replace him.
[bar] 18/13%
I already have a great job in India!
[bar] 8/6%
When Mumbai freezes over.
[bar] 48/34%
After I finish this Hindi-on-Tape course.
[bar] 13/9%
Where's India?
[bar] 17/12%
Dood. India's old nooz. I'm packin' my bags for SeaCode!
[bar] 32/23%
141 total votes
Comment on When are you moving to India to find a better job?
Re: When are you moving to India to find a better job?
by gellyfish (Monsignor) on Sep 06, 2005 at 18:05 UTC

    Forget India - I'm off to Khazhakstan

    /J\

      Here is where I will be going next week :-)

      TStanley
      --------
      The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing -- Edmund Burke
Re: When are you moving to India to find a better job?
by hackerjosh (Novice) on Sep 06, 2005 at 18:11 UTC
    (X) As soon as they pay more $$.

    Isn't the whole point of out-sourcing because companies can get cheaper labor over there?

      Isn't the whole point of out-sourcing because companies can get cheaper labor over there?

      Three words: cost of living. (i.e., labour isn't the only thing that's cheaper over there.)

        The hookers sure are cheaper
Re: When are you moving to India to find a better job?
by merlyn (Sage) on Sep 06, 2005 at 18:17 UTC
      I'd rather go to Molvania.
Re: When are you moving to India to find a better job?
by talexb (Canon) on Sep 06, 2005 at 18:23 UTC
      I already have a job in Mumbai!

    Well, close enough .. one of my main Production servers is in Mumbai, where they got the Monsoon of the century recently and had to move the server from a ground floor location to a safer location.

    Mumbai is 9 1/2 hours ahead of us right now, and will be 10 1/2 hours ahead when we change to Standard Time. The only hard part is trying to do SysAdmin stuff at 3am -- it's a time of day that I'm not at my best.

    Alex / talexb / Toronto

    "Groklaw is the open-source mentality applied to legal research" ~ Linus Torvalds

Re: When are you moving to India to find a better job?
by jZed (Prior) on Sep 06, 2005 at 18:26 UTC
    If we don't get rid of the WTO policies that allow giant corporations to control the flow of jobs without regulation, then it won't matter where you move. These policies do not help U.S. workers, and they do not help the Indian economy in any long term way. The vast majority of outsourced jobs are mindless drudgery (the attrition rate in Indian tech support jobs is over 50%).

    Ooops. I gave a serious answer to a non-serious question. Well, I guess I don't find it very funny when people who are lucky enough to live in a developed country pretend that it would be better to live in a country where the life expectancy is 14 years less and the average income is a tenth of what it is in the U.S.

        Great link. I sorta had that sense, although not so clearly parablized.

        Admittedly, I'm upset that jobs that were formerly done by my co-workers are now moving overseas, but when I step back, I can say "this is free market doing the right thing".

        Business needs the ability to contract freely with resources, including the workforce. When regulations are applied, it simply becomes a special-interest tug-of-war, with the biggest contributions (bribes?) to the regulators gaining the most (unfair) ground. In a true free-market, everything will eventually find its own level. It may not be the level you want, or had last year, but it'll eventually level out.

        -- Randal L. Schwartz, Perl hacker
        Be sure to read my standard disclaimer if this is a reply.

        Interesting article, though I see at least two points unaccounted for there:
        • If the boy had been paid, then that would have been money out of the glaziers pocket, and thus different to him just breaking windows by accident.
        • What if the shopkeeper had money to spare, and the six francs would have just been collected under his mattress otherwise?

        C.

      Huh? Many/most of us here don't live the US.
Re: When are you moving to India to find a better job?
by johnnywang (Priest) on Sep 06, 2005 at 20:06 UTC
    Don't they have enough people over there? I really don't want to make it more crowded. Doesn't it make more sense that we should all go when India becomes less crowded, say, than the US?
Re: When are you moving to India to find a better job?
by cbrandtbuffalo (Deacon) on Sep 06, 2005 at 20:07 UTC
Re: When are you moving to India to find a better job?
by Plankton (Priest) on Sep 07, 2005 at 05:17 UTC
      Why don't we outsource lawyers and policiticans?

      No one wants them.

      --
      tbone1, YAPS (Yet Another Perl Schlub)
      And remember, if he succeeds, so what.
      - Chick McGee

      Why don't we outsource lawyers...
      We do. I mean, not actual licensed attorneys at law per se. But law firms can outsource a lot of their research, document preparation, billing, and almost everything else they do that doesn't involve actual lawyering.
      ...and policiticans?
      The Republican party has outsourced some of its fundraising work - does that count?
      Why not just turn them inside out? I'd not want to inflict actual functioning lawyers on India or China.
Re: When are you moving to India to find a better job?
by greenFox (Vicar) on Sep 07, 2005 at 06:52 UTC

    My current contract finishes in two weeks with someone from India due to start, well a few weeks ago but at least as soon as they get here. The whole site is scheduled to be offshored to India by Christmas this year (2005)...

    --
    Murray Barton
    Do not seek to follow in the footsteps of the wise. Seek what they sought. -Basho

Re: When are you moving to India to find a better job?
by samizdat (Vicar) on Sep 07, 2005 at 14:13 UTC
    New poll:

    When are you going to get your brain in gear and create another job?
    1. When my apartment|flat|house|cave|cardboard box freezes over.
    2. When my Porsche|BMW|Benz|Ford|GM|Hummer|Rover SUV hits empty.
    3. When I accept that my brain's better than most.
    4. When I look at all the opportunity and unmet needs out there.
    5. When I realize I look like sh!t for whining so much.
Re: When are you moving to India to find a better job?
by planetscape (Canon) on Sep 07, 2005 at 16:14 UTC

    While I am not impugning the OP's motives, IMHO this poll is in rather bad taste and is beneath the Monastery's standards for inclusiveness and tolerance of diversity. I have generally found PM to be a model in this regard from which the rest of the world could take a lesson...

    planetscape
      planetscape++

      There is an obvious grievance behind the question with which I sympathise.

      But way, way off target. The blame should be directed at those responsible.

      I concur. While I am sympathetic to folks who lose their jobs to outsourcing, there seems to be a tendency to blame the folks who do the outsourcing and not the folks responsible for deciding to outsource in the first place. IMO if a bunch of Indians get the jobs formerly held by Americans (or whomever) then its the Americans responsible for the decision who should be held responsible. Not the Indian guy (or gal) who is just doing what the rest of us do: trying to earn a living to feed himself and his family.

      Id prefer that we stick to conventional controversial subjects like which editor/os is better and why java really is better than perl. :-)

      Im assuming the OP didn't think this poll would be offensive, but I'd hope that in the future the folks managing the polls would be more sensitive in future and steer clear of such potentially insulting material.

      ---
      $world=~s/war/peace/g

Re: When are you moving to India to find a better job?
by Arunbear (Parson) on Sep 07, 2005 at 20:32 UTC
    In addition to the flaws noted by other monks, I noticed these:
    When Mumbai freezes over

    Do you have any family in Mumbai? I do. Thankfully none of them were hurt in the recent floods, but many others were less fortunate.

    After I finish this Hindi-on-Tape course.

    Hindi is only one of many languages spoken in India, and you won't many who speak it in south India where most of the programming jobs are.

    So other than alienating the Indian monks who visit the Monastery, what is the point of this poll?
      I realise that being in India your family are unfamiliar with freezing, but please note that it is very different from flooding :-)
        You've missed the point. A city being 'frozen over' would be just as distressing to its inhabitants as if were flooded.
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