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Re^4: Consider this: What makes a good node title?

by sauoq (Abbot)
on Nov 04, 2005 at 21:16 UTC ( #505873=note: print w/ replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to Re^3: Consider this: What makes a good node title?
in thread Consider this: What makes a good node title?

What you have done is to distort my words to make them more extreme, and then shown that the extreme position is untenable.

I'll retract my third sentence in the referenced reply in favor of this somewhat more verbose rewording:

We can can help them learn how the "big boys" work, huh? And we are able to avoid reinforcing their naivete, eh? All by retitling their nodes?

I stand by the rest of that reply in its entirety, your attempted rebuttal notwithstanding.

Sorry, but highlighting the subtle but contemptible attitude implied in your post does not a straw man argument make.

As for any supposed "self-aggrandizing egotism", that statement is false. I am one of the newer people here.

Well, I meant that in more of a group-think sort of way than you personally. It's hard to explain—which is, I guess, why I didn't. Suffice it to say that I've come to expect statements like yours from a certain class of individuals that seem overly preoccupied with their own elitism. Unfortunately, newbies sometimes latch on to that attitude as some sort of banner and wave it vigorously in an attempt to show that they belong.

I'll take the humility evident in your reply as evidence enough that I was wrong in assuming that's what was going on in this case. So, I'm sorry about that.

Still, without the context of your reply, your statement is basically indistinguishable from some of that banner wavin' and I do encourage you to think about what you are implying.

-sauoq
"My two cents aren't worth a dime.";


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Re^5: Consider this: What makes a good node title?
by spiritway (Vicar) on Nov 05, 2005 at 01:24 UTC
    We can can help them learn how the "big boys" work, huh? And we are able to avoid reinforcing their naivete, eh? All by retitling their nodes?

    Ah, that's still not what I said, nor what I implied. You highlighted what wasn't there to begin with, and then knocked down that attitude. That is a straw man attack, which is a fallacy.

      Ah, that's still not what I said, nor what I implied.

      What you said was:

      "All we'd have done is reinforced their naivete, not helped them to learn how the big boys work."

      If that doesn't imply that we could somehow, if we only tried, "avoid reinforcing their naivete" or "help them learn how the 'big boys' work" then it doesn't say anything at all.

      So, which was it? We're you saying something contemptible? Or were you saying nothing at all?

      Feel free to explain what you were saying. Pointing fingers and chanting "fallacy" is no way to have a debate. Not a real one, at any rate. Support your statements, if they are tenable.

      -sauoq
      "My two cents aren't worth a dime.";
      

        Your direct quote is accurate. Your attempted distortion of what I said is inaccurate.

        If it is any consolation to you, had I said what you claim, I'd agree with you that it was a smug, arrogant comment.

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