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Re^4: Teaching Children How to Program

by GrandFather (Cardinal)
on Nov 14, 2005 at 20:03 UTC ( #508398=note: print w/ replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to Re^3: Teaching Children How to Program
in thread Teaching Children How to Program

I had a serious look at Eclipse with the intent of using it at work, but at the end of the day (a rather frustrating week actually!) I was editing Perl with it and could run the code, but I couldn't get break points working so I couldn't debug it. Of less importance, I was fighting with the IDE in various ways too, but that would have sorted itself out in time.

Other workmates have used Eclipse in other contexts and are very impressed with it, I just couldn't get it to do the job for me with Perl. However, having just purchased a Handspring Visor which runs Palm OS, I may find a different reason for using Eclipse :).


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Re^5: Teaching Children How to Program
by radiantmatrix (Parson) on Nov 15, 2005 at 14:46 UTC

    I can identify with fighting the interface, as I had a similar experience when I first started: I was moving from using Emacs, and there are certainly things I miss and habits that were hard to form. Breakpoints inside Eclipse/EPIC just don't work properly: you're pretty much stuck with using an external debugger, which EPIC (thankfully) lets you configure. This is one of my biggest complaints with Eclipse.

    I am curious which version of Eclipse you had these experiences with: if it was a few versions ago, I think you'll find the Eclipse team (and the EPIC team, for that matter) have put a lot of work into making the overall experience more pleasant. There's still a ways to go, but it's a pretty interesting project. They've been very responsive to my comments about usability. The EPIC team would probably be interested in Perl-specific comments you might have. Anything you get them to improve will be a welcome help for me. :)

    I hadn't used Komodo in a while, and just checked out the most recent version of that, as well -- they've fixed a lot of what I had an issue with, and the performance seems quite a bit better as well. Still, neither Eclipse or Komodo gets pulled out for quick scripts, because they're still slower to load and run than Emacs or SciTE (though the latter sees less use from me, lately, as I've moved to Mac for development, and there still isn't an OSX port).

    <-radiant.matrix->
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      For me a large part of a good IDE is the debugger with mouse-over variable contents, breakpoints in the source, and all that sort of stuff. With lack of debugging, initial pain in getting it installed and a UI that I needed to grow into Eclipse/EPIC had nothing to offer me. We spashed out for Komodo Pro and I already had a personal copy at home.

      I'm surprised that you don't find Komodo quick for small scripts. I typically have a "noname.pl" edit tab open that I use for checking short scripts - SoPW code for example :). Editing takes the time it takes regardless, then running the script is a single key stroke or mouse click. What could be faster?

      You noticed that Komodo is now available for Mac?


      Perl is Huffman encoded by design.

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