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Re^5: PERL as shibboleth and the Perl community

by merlyn (Sage)
on Nov 23, 2005 at 14:52 UTC ( #511117=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to Re^4: PERL as shibboleth and the Perl community
in thread PERL as shibboleth and the Perl community

Spelling it "PERL" does not a bad Perl programmer make.
You're not disagreeing with me. But you are perhaps missing the point then. Try re-reading the head of this thread.

-- Randal L. Schwartz, Perl hacker
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Re^6: PERL as shibboleth and the Perl community
by thor (Priest) on Nov 23, 2005 at 15:34 UTC
    If you re-read the post to which I replied, chromatic is implying if not saying right out that you spell it "PERL", you're at best sloppy and at worst incapable. That is the statement to which I am replying; nothing more, nothing less.

    thor

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      chromatic is implying if not saying right out that you spell it "PERL", you're at best sloppy and at worst incapable.
      Correct, and that again doesn't disagree with what I said, and I agree with chromatic.

      I think both he and I are distinguishing two things which you are collapsing together. Consider that what it takes to "be a good Perl programmer" (as in, understand the language from its definition) as separate from what it would mean to work for someone who demands paying attention to detail. It's about individual vs team. He and I seem to agree that spelling it PERL means you don't get to be part of our team, even though you may be a hot-shot Perl programmer.

      Does that make it clearer? That's why I challenged your statement: "PERL" is a clue that you're not a team player, even though you may be a fine "Perl programmer".

      -- Randal L. Schwartz, Perl hacker
      Be sure to read my standard disclaimer if this is a reply.

        "PERL" is a clue that you're not a team player
        And I respectfully disagree with that statement. If you spell it "PERL", it means a couple of things:
        1. You've not read perlfaq1
        2. You've not participated in a perlmonks thread where such a distinction was made

        The first is not particularly egregious. perlfaq1 answers other such pressing questions as "Where can I get a list of Larry Wall witticisms?" and "What is a JAPH?". Questions for the ages I'm sure, but nothing in there would lead me to believe that the person is not a team player.

        The second is even less so. As far as I can tell, the Monestary isn't mentioned anywhere "official". That is to say that it isn't mentioned in the docs as being the place for all your Perl needs. I stumbled upon it almost 5 years ago, and I'm sure that others have done so similarly.

        And so, I ask, what is it about spelling it "PERL" that indicates that someone is not a team player? Is it that they haven't read the part of the official documentation least likely to help them in their day to day work, or that they haven't followed every conversation on the unofficial place for Perl questions?

        thor

        Feel the white light, the light within
        Be your own disciple, fan the sparks of will
        For all of us waiting, your kingdom will come

        In common with a lot of people, you are confusing "being a team player" with "thinking the way you do", or "taking on your opinions verbatim".

        If you need that much to be the boss; if renounciation of the power for independant thought is a condition of becoming your employee; if membership of your club is predicated upon such inane criteria; then perhaps it is time for all Perl programmers with half a brain to start spelling it PERL.


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        "Science is about questioning the status quo. Questioning authority".
        In the absence of evidence, opinion is indistinguishable from prejudice.

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