Re^7: Why Perl 6 is taking so !@#$ long

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Re: Why Perl 6 is taking so !@#$ long by benizi (Hermit) on Feb 28, 2006 at 15:46 UTC
A quote from the "Time to release 5.9.3?" section of the summary pointed out by your parent poster: To summarise: just about everyone thinks that err sucks, but no-one can think of anything better. Personally, I like Yves's 'dor' (defined-or) suggestion.	[reply]
Re^2: Why Perl 6 is taking so !@#$ long by shotgunefx (Parson) on Feb 28, 2006 at 15:49 UTC
Saw that note, (was pm'ed to me after my post). Funny, "dor" was the first thing that popped into my head too. (see above) -Lee "To be civilized is to deny one's nature."	[reply]
Re^8: Why Perl 6 is taking so !@#$ long by chromatic (Archbishop) on Feb 28, 2006 at 09:17 UTC
What does intuition have to do with computers?	[reply]
Re^9: Why Perl 6 is taking so !@#$ long by shotgunefx (Parson) on Feb 28, 2006 at 09:43 UTC
Not sure if there is a little sarcasm in that message or not, but I'll assume there isn't. I would say it has nothing to do with computers, and much to do with programming languages, or at least Perl. Obviously, a large part of Perl's attraction is DWIM, which to me implies intuition, at least to a point. Not knowing that "err" is "defined OR", my first thought would be that it had something to do with exceptions. The definition of the word implies that it has something to do with errors. While expressions in programming languages and human languages often don't match up, they more often do. "do, if, else, and, or, etc, not, while, use, etc". Seems like it should have been more appropriately named defor, dor, whatever. -Lee "To be civilized is to deny one's nature."	[reply]
Re^10: Why Perl 6 is taking so !@#$ long by Fletch (Bishop) on Feb 28, 2006 at 14:37 UTC
And maybe a defined or specifically for hashes, `doh` (which again is getting back into error-related-sounding-words territory :). Update: Not to be confused with D::oh, of course. :)	[reply] [d/l]
Re^11: Why Perl 6 is taking so !@#$ long by shotgunefx (Parson) on Feb 28, 2006 at 14:46 UTC
Re^10: Why Perl 6 is taking so !@#$ long by duff (Parson) on Feb 28, 2006 at 15:30 UTC
Not knowing that "err" is "defined OR", my first thought would be that it had something to do with exceptions. The definition of the word implies that it has something to do with errors. It sounds like your intuition is working just fine to me. Isn't that how `err` will be used? Isn't that how `or` is used now? (And since `or` is slightly wrong, `err` is introduced to pay attention to definedness rather than truth) BTW, what does your intuition tell you about `//`? And why? Intuition comes from experience and is specific to the tool you're using. A C++ programmer would intuit that `//` introduces a comment. A Perl programmer has no such intuition. A Perl programmer might think it has something to do with the other doubled-character operators, `&&`, and `\|\|` (or just be confused and have to look it up :). duff	[reply] [d/l] [select]
Re^11: Why Perl 6 is taking so !@#$ long by shotgunefx (Parson) on Feb 28, 2006 at 15:43 UTC
Re^12: Why Perl 6 is taking so !@#$ long by duff (Parson) on Feb 28, 2006 at 15:48 UTC
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Re^11: Why Perl 6 is taking so !@#$ long by Eimi Metamorphoumai (Deacon) on Mar 02, 2006 at 16:04 UTC
Re^9: Why Perl 6 is taking so !@#$ long by demerphq (Chancellor) on Feb 28, 2006 at 09:31 UTC
IMO a fair amount. You wouldn't want to name a routine that sums a list 'avg' would you? Naming something that has nothing to do with errors 'err' is IMO a bad plan. And clashes with expectations generated by other languages. (Such as VB which uses the err object for exception throwing.) I said all this on p5p at the time, but to no avail. --- $world=~s/war/peace/g	[reply]


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