vogel was no pimp he had over 30 patents in material research and was on of the cutting edge researcher at IBM. his only became part of the case because others asked him to analyze this metal sampel. he showed it also to his colleges and all came to the same conclusion. i know there are many mislead person, everyone it is to some degree but there is definitly more truth out there than most people wants people believe. if you are real to this things you have to be patientent. most ufo videos are unfortunatly hoaxes also the ones with the obducation. but there are also some very bright man out there with much clue. and to bring this back to the topic. it is pure ignorance that the disclosure project has just eye witnesses. the have digital radar tracks, copies of classified dokuments, official unclassified material and much more. its definitly worth to check it out and make an own opinion. look these people into them eyes. most people are not rocket scientist but they can smell a liar due life experience.