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Re: How should Perlmonks deal with Plagiarism?

by GrandFather (Sage)
on Oct 07, 2006 at 03:08 UTC ( #576787=note: print w/ replies, xml ) Need Help??

in reply to How should Perlmonks deal with Plagiarism?

Excellent work liverpole. It may help to relieve the angst to -- all the plagiarised nodes. That in itself sends a message to the perpetrators. This thread in itself is another excellent heads up both to these two monks, and to any others who may be tempted into the same behaviour in the future.

A number of suggestions were made in the CB. Those I recall that seem to me appropriate and likely to be moderately effective are:

  • down vote the nodes to signal that this is not acceptable behaviour
  • have janitors mark the nodes as plagiarised with and editorial note at the top and bottom of the node
  • leave unapproved any future nodes posted by the perpertators (for some unspecified time)
  • add the perpertators' names to a "shunning wall"
  • remove FP status of any plagiarised nodes that have been FP'd
  • do not consider the nodes for reaping - that hides the problem
  • do not 'ban' the perpetrators - better to encourage reform than force them to resurface under a different guise.

Only the "shunning wall" would need any alteration to the site and probably it isn't worth worrying about. It would allow the approval checkbox to be disabled for nodes posted by shunned monks though. Something to ponder anyway, even though I'd vote against its implementation myself.

There was some discussion of a need for "rules" to cover this sort of situation. I don't see a need for that nor for intervention from the gods. The PM community has the power to shun and ignore such members and in many communities that is an awsome power indeed. Here we also have the power to take away some of the XP we have given in the past and that may be even more effective than shunning when one considers that the likely motivation for such posts in the first place is to gain in reputation among the community - and XP is a reflection of that.

(Yes, yes, I know XP is only a game and doesn't matter, but some people don't understand that so well ;). )

DWIM is Perl's answer to Gödel
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Re^2: How should Perlmonks deal with Plagiarism?
by Hue-Bond (Priest) on Oct 07, 2006 at 04:19 UTC

    Seconded. Regarding the "shunning wall" and the approval disabling, I like it for two reasons:

    • Without it, those monks who become Friars in the future and are not aware of this problem would unwittingly approve and/or frontpage nodes by "shunned" monks, so something should be done to prevent this; if not this feature, some explicit mention of the issue in, for example, How do I moderate?, could be appropriate.
    • More importantly, jesuashok has enough power to approve (his own) nodes. If a decision is made not to approve offenders' posts, some technical restriction must be implemented.

    David Serrano

      Technically, one cannot approve or front-page one's own nodes. However, if one is working in concert with another, it's obviously possible to see how one account can approve, front-page, upvote another, etc. Approval can be withdrawn by janitors, though, and anyone who suspects behaviour as outlined above is advised to give the gods and/or janitors a heads-up. (janitors as a user-group can be messaged the same way you'd message another Monk.)

        Well here's at least one example of one approving the other's plagiarism.

        One dead unjugged rabbit fish later

      I'm sure there are enough interested janitors to keep an eye on the nodes and unapprove them if need be.

      Adding a janitorial edit note to the node indicating why it shouldn't be approved should generally be sufficient, although the OP can re-edit to remove such a note. The node can be reaped if need be, but that doesn't give the perp a chance to redeem himself - we should at least allow that chance.

      DWIM is Perl's answer to Gödel

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