Re: Typo in Other Users text?
by jcoxen (Deacon) on Nov 05, 2006 at 17:56 UTC
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That depends on your definition of 'by'...
From Dictionary.com
25. near; in the immediate vicinity; at hand: The school is close by.
i.e. Others warm by(near) the fire...
or, supporting your argument...
13. in consequence, as a result, or on the basis of: We met by chance. We won the game by forfeit.
i.e. Others warmed by(as a result of) the fire...
Isn't English fun? Now let's talk about proper usage of
you're vs. your
to vs. too vs. two
read vs. read
then vs. than
there vs. their vs. they're
We'll top off the evening with a discussion of "Though the tough cough and hiccough, plough him through".
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What about Canonise and Canonize
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Re: Typo in Other Users text?
by davido (Cardinal) on Nov 06, 2006 at 03:49 UTC
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"Others warm by the fire at the center of the monastery"
"warm", in that context is being used as a verb, as in "Come inside and warm yourself." or "Let's warm the chicken in the microwave." I actually don't think that's quite what we (the Monastery) intended, but that's how it's being used.
"Warmed" could be a present participle attaching itself to an unspoken but implied "are." Spelled out explicitly, it would be "Others are warmed by the fire at the center of the monastery." Again, I don't think that's quite what we intended.
"Warmed" could also be past participle, as in "Others were warmed..." But I don't think that's what we intended either.
"Warmed" could also be the past tense of "warm" (in some languages it might be considered a past incomplete, in this context). In that sense, "Others warmed by the fire at the center of the Monastery:" (followed by the list) is correct and probably what the text ought to say.
Another correct verbiage would be this:
Others warming by the fire at the center of the Monastery: (followed by the list, of course).
In this case "Others warming..." includes an implicit be-verb which is not spoken, though it could be. Spelling it out fully it would be, "Others who are warming..."
It's been ages since I diagrammed sentences in honors English in high school, so I may be way off, but if I am, just humor me because I'm unlikely to change the way I talk at this point in my life anyway. *grin*
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Re: Typo in Other Users text?
by rhesa (Vicar) on Nov 06, 2006 at 15:37 UTC
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Re: Typo in Other Users text?
by parv (Parson) on Nov 29, 2006 at 06:35 UTC
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Holy crap, man. Whilst taking about proper use of English, please do care to title the post correctly (by proper use of quotes around "Other Users" in this instance). After reading the thread, it took me a while to realize that you did not miss apostrophe mark in "Users" but did miss quotes. | [reply] |
Re: Typo in Other Users text?
by monarch (Priest) on Nov 06, 2006 at 09:02 UTC
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As a native english speaker I find the concept of the word "warmed" quite alien. Perl Monks is correct in using the term "warm". I don't know where "warmed" came from; maybe it's just one of those things where they take English, chop and change it until it is no longer English, and proudly call it American. | [reply] |
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Huh? I googled and found many examples of the usage of "warmed by". Here's is one:
Finally, the bottom layers of the ice sheet are warmed by heat coming from the Earth.
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From the Oxford English Dictionary (www.oed.com)
f. WARM v. + -ED1.
Made warm. Also with over, up. a. lit.
1597 A. M. tr. Guillemeau's Fr. Chirurg. 28/1 With a warmed table naptkinne, rubbe the insyde of the arme. 1679 T. TRAPHAM Disc. Health Jamaica 146 Dissolution in Wine or Broth or other warmed Liquids. 1820 KEATS Eve St. Agnes xxvi, She..Unclasps her warmed jewels one by one. 1895 S. CRANE Red Badge v, He grasped his canteen and took a long swallow of the warmed water. 1897 Private Life of Queen xvii. 141 The Queen..made a delightful luncheon off warmed-up broth and potatoes she had helped to boil herself. 1916 B. M. BOWER Phantom Herd 246 A midnight supper of warmed-over coffee and cold bean sandwiches. 1977 H. GREENE FSO-1 vi. 57 Warmed-over moussaka uneaten before him.
and good old Willy S.
Sonnet 154
The little love-god lying once asleep
Laid by his side his heart-inflaming brand,
Whilst many nymphs that vowed chaste life to keep
Came tripping by; but in her maiden hand
The fairest votary took up that fire,
Which many legions of true hearts had warmed;
And so the general of hot desire
Was, sleeping, by a virgin hand disarmed.
This brand she quenchèd in a cool well by,
Which from love's fire took heat perpetual,
Growing a bath and healthful remedy
For men diseased; but I, my mistress' thrall,
Came there for cure, and this by that I prove:
Love's fire heats water; water cools not love.
Cheers, R.
Pereant, qui ante nos nostra dixerunt!
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Re: Typo in Other Users text?
by kabeldag (Hermit) on Nov 28, 2006 at 08:43 UTC
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Why can't you be a particular state whilst doing something ?
I'm thinking you can be cold by the fire also. Just a wild wild wild wild hunch .... | [reply] |
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No, it's an action, not a state. If it was a state, it would be "Others are warm" or "Others, warm by the fire at the center of the monastery, verb".
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