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You've just spilled something on your tie at lunch... Do you:

by gregor42 (Parson)
on Sep 22, 2007 at 00:36 UTC ( #640461=poll: print w/ replies, xml ) Need Help??

vote on You've just spilled something on your tie at lunch... Do you:

Leave the tie on
[bar] 48/7%
Take the tie off
[bar] 100/14%
Ignore it since your tie is so ugly no one will notice
[bar] 10/1%
Ignore it since it makes your tie look better
[bar] 10/1%
Accessorize the stain by covering it with a band-aid
[bar] 22/3%
Put on the spare tie from the bottom drawer
[bar] 30/4%
Go buy a spare tie for the bottom drawer
[bar] 15/2%
Improvise a new tie out of office supplies
[bar] 12/2%
Ties? We don't need no steenking ties!
[bar] 366/53%
I'm personally bringing back the Nehru collar look (since Keanu killed it)
[bar] 18/3%
Be thankful that it was only a hard copy of your source code
[bar] 60/9%
691 total votes
Comment on You've just spilled something on your tie at lunch... Do you:
Re: You've just spilled something on your tie at lunch... Do you:
by Joost (Canon) on Sep 22, 2007 at 00:56 UTC

        I don't see the relation. I have been to many weddings, funerals and the occasional interview, and never ever did I wear a tie, not even at my own wedding.

        I'm completely with DrHyde here: they know me without tie, and if they accept me as I am, either they do not invite me to occasions where ties are wanted, as I won't show anyway, or they respect me in my choice of appropriate attire.

        I'm sure that when I die, my relatives will not put a tie on my dead body.


        Enjoy, Have FUN! H.Merijn
Re: You've just spilled something on your tie at lunch... Do you:
by pmonk4ever (Friar) on Sep 22, 2007 at 01:31 UTC
    I refuse to wear something that cuts off all blood circulation to the brain...those are MBA self-torture devices!!!

    Gaakkkkkkkkkk!!!!

    ki6jux

    "No trees were harmed in the creation of this post. However, a rather large number of electrons were somewhat inconvenienced."

      Suits always remind me of Umberto Eco's comments about cellphones (written a few years ago). He noted that having a cellphone ring when you're in a meeting or at the theatre does not show how important you are (unless you are a doctor); rather, it shows that you are at the beck and call of other people. The person with the real power is always "in a meeting."

      By the same token, I maintain that if you have to dress up in a suit for your job, you're dancing to someone elses' tune, unless, of course, you like suits and find them comfortable.

        A good suit (that's a *good* suit, not merely an expensive suit, or the best one you can afford, and certainly not one bought off-the-peg on the high street) can be very comfortable indeed. I recommend wearing one occasionally just to freak your boss out.
        Exactly. Many years ago I had concluded that beepers and company cell phones were RF leashes, and if my employer wanted me to use them, we could discuss the new salary associated with this major change in conditions of employment.

        Important people have an assistant who answers their email; really important people have another assistant who follows them carrying a phone, which they hand to the really important person if need be.

      It sounds like you might be tying them a bit too tight.
Re: You've just spilled something on your tie at lunch... Do you:
by Popcorn Dave (Abbot) on Sep 22, 2007 at 01:37 UTC
    Tie? I *only* wear a tie when I can't get away with a jacket and a turtleneck.


    Revolution. Today, 3 O'Clock. Meet behind the monkey bars.

    I would love to change the world, but they won't give me the source code

Re: You've just spilled something on your tie at lunch... Do you:
by TedYoung (Deacon) on Sep 22, 2007 at 02:04 UTC
    Personally, I love ties. When used correctly ties can bring a certain elegance to your code, using concise hash and array access constructs instead of verbose method calls. I know, some people have "stained" their reputation with performance concerns, but sometimes it is just worth it!

    Update: Oh, sh!t. Sorry!

    Ted Young

    ($$<<$$=>$$<=>$$<=$$>>$$) always returns 1. :-)

    (update) ... in a scalar context, of course ;-)

      Hmm.. Your sig:
      ($$<<$$=>$$<=>$$<=$$>>$$) always returns 1. :-)
      Seems like you're right
      perl -le 'print +($$<<$$=>$$<=>$$<=$$>>$$)' 26088570881

      for very large values of 1 :-P

      --shmem

      _($_=" "x(1<<5)."?\n".q·/)Oo.  G°\        /
                                    /\_¯/(q    /
      ----------------------------  \__(m.====·.(_("always off the crowd"))."·
      ");sub _{s./.($e="'Itrs `mnsgdq Gdbj O`qkdq")=~y/"-y/#-z/;$e.e && print}
        It always returns 1, and sometimes returns other numbers too, depending on how you invoke it.

        He didn't say it only returned a *single* 1, did he? ;-)
        It returns a whole lot of 1's, bundled together for your convenience.

Re: You've just spilled something on your tie at lunch... Do you:
by TStanley (Canon) on Sep 22, 2007 at 02:21 UTC
    At my company, all males are required to wear a tie, as it presents a more professional image, which does make a lot of sense when you think about it.
    On the other hand, I have a small collection of some off the wall ties that I regularly wear, plus several Christmas season ties as well.

    TStanley
    --------
    People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf. -- George Orwell
      At my company, all males are required to wear a tie, as it presents a more professional image, which does make a lot of sense when you think about it.

      It makes less sense the more I think about it. Seems like a silly fluff, puff, and stuff show best left to car salesmen and politicians (not that there's anything wrong with that).

      YuckTie
      One of the most ridiculous garments ever devised, and it presents a more professional image? That makes sense... not.

      Me, I've never owned a tie in my life.

      it presents a more professional image

      I prefer to present a professional image by delivering what I promise, when I promise. If I can't do that, no amount of playing at dressing up will magically fix things.

      I believe that the point our company president was trying to get across is that when you look like a professional, you will act more professional. This policy has been in place since the company was started back in the 1950s.

      TStanley
      --------
      People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf. -- George Orwell

        Right, but a professional what? Different professions dress differently. You don't see many professional soldiers going into combat wearing ties, for example.

        Seems your company president wants you all to think and act like people who naturally wear ties, i.e. businessmen like himself; which is all very well, but it would be nice if he could do so without suggesting that the rest of us do not have every right to be considered professional based on the quality of our work and our dedication to it, rather than on whether we tie bits of brightly-coloured cloth round our necks or not.

        Does he have any proof that wearing a tie makes you a better programmer? For values of "better" that encompass "delivers code on time that does what the customer wants".

        And so what if it's been in place since the 1950s? People did all kinds of crazy things back then which we now realise were kinda stupid.

      Hmmm... I thought companies like that only hired Java programmers. The ones that used to be COBOL shops.

      Don Wilde
      "There's more than one level to any answer."
Re: You've just spilled something on your tie at lunch... Do you:
by blue_cowdawg (Prior) on Sep 22, 2007 at 03:10 UTC

    First time my parents ever put one of them strips of cloth on my neck I was convinced I was anchored to the spot and wouldn't move until they took it off.

    The tie I'm most likely to wear use is Tie::File.


    Peter L. Berghold -- Unix Professional
    Peter -at- Berghold -dot- Net; AOL IM redcowdawg Yahoo IM: blue_cowdawg

      No, that wasn't a tie, that was a leash. You were being rescued from the machinations of fast women. Or vice versa

Re: You've just spilled something on your tie at lunch... Do you:
by swampyankee (Parson) on Sep 22, 2007 at 04:23 UTC

    Neck ties were actually invented by muggers, as they make such convenient handles.

    Amazingly, I've only spilled stuff onto my neckties once or twice in the past 30-plus years. Considering my tendency to clumsiness, this isn't bad

    I don't mind wearing a tie, and if the job requires one, I'll wear one. I don't do clip-on ties, nor will I wear ties that are leather, wood (there was a fad for ties made up of real wood, using veneers), nor bolos, ties that have pictures of scantily clad women, the ones that light up, etc.


    emc

    Information about American English usage here and here.

    Any Northeastern US area jobs? I'm currently unemployed.

Re: You've just spilled something on your tie at lunch... Do you:
by Tux (Monsignor) on Sep 22, 2007 at 08:22 UTC

    The only ties I use are in my perl code, and like the other comment, I don't mind the stains that come with it. Ties as a piece of clothing? No thanks, I don't even own one. And please, girls, do NOT wear them, I don't like them with men, but with women, they're butt ugly


    Enjoy, Have FUN! H.Merijn
Re: You've just spilled something on your tie at lunch... Do you:
by zentara (Archbishop) on Sep 22, 2007 at 09:38 UTC
    Save it. It's good for a snack at the 2 PM coffee break.

    I'm not really a human, but I play one on earth. Cogito ergo sum a bum
Re: You've just spilled something on your tie at lunch... Do you:
by roboticus (Canon) on Sep 22, 2007 at 19:25 UTC
Re: You've just spilled something on your tie at lunch... Do you:
by gloryhack (Deacon) on Sep 22, 2007 at 19:29 UTC
    Bolos are remarkably stainproof and are the only style of tie I will wear, so no worries.
      I know what a bow tie is and have worn one on occasions, you'd be hard pressed to spill anything on one of those,
      but what's or what do you do with a "bolo" ?

      Update
      Doh I see.... "Boot lace"!
        I'm guessing from your update that you found something like Wikipedia's Bolo tie entry. :)
Re: You've just spilled something on your tie at lunch... Do you:
by Albannach (Prior) on Sep 22, 2007 at 19:47 UTC
    ... suddenly wake up in a cold sweat, then relax and smile quietly to yourself because you finally ditched that nightmare job a month ago.

    --
    I'd like to be able to assign to an luser

Re: You've just spilled something on your tie at lunch... Do you:
by shmem (Canon) on Sep 22, 2007 at 21:36 UTC
    ...cut the tie above the stain and use the cut part for napkin as a matter of course.

    --shmem

    _($_=" "x(1<<5)."?\n".q·/)Oo.  G°\        /
                                  /\_¯/(q    /
    ----------------------------  \__(m.====·.(_("always off the crowd"))."·
    ");sub _{s./.($e="'Itrs `mnsgdq Gdbj O`qkdq")=~y/"-y/#-z/;$e.e && print}
Re: You've just spilled something on your tie at lunch... Do you:
by dsheroh (Parson) on Sep 23, 2007 at 02:32 UTC
    I had a job once where ties were mandatory, back in the distant past. I was theoretically a "database administrator", but all they had me doing was just data-entry work, since I was the low man on the totem pole (no seniority and next-to-no experience).

    After I'd been there about a month, I was in a hurry one morning and forgot my tie. Nobody seemed to notice. About a week later, I "forgot" it again. Then a couple more times in the next week or two. Then I just quit wearing it entirely. I eventually got one or two comments about it from the other techs, more in the spirit of friendly ribbing than anything else, but, aside from that, nobody ever commented on it or showed any sign of disapproval at my noncompliance.

      I had a coworker who did the same thing. Ultimately, a (pointy-haired) manager reproted him to Human Resources*, who Officially Reprimanded him.

      His response was to start wearing bow-ties and sneakers...


      * Yeah, I know. That and $2 will get you a Starbucks latte. But it did impact his bonus...

        $2 gets you a latte?? Where they heck do you live? ;)


        ___________
        Eric Hodges

        I used to work in one of those types of places. It was a university, and I had been wearing ties to work (a throwback to when people actually saw me), but when I switched to the department of sysadmins, my manager told me to stop wearing them.

        It also didn't help that due to some positive reinforcement of the heater on the floor below, my cubicle would get over 85F. (took us a while to figure it out, and it wasn't because they actually called in facilities over it ... it took a machine room hitting 110F one evening) ... but anyway, I got in the habit of wearing in t-shirts, and keeping a dress shirt and tie in the office for meetings. Of course, one day, we were trying to clean up a problem, and then our manager rushed us to some 'all hands' meeting. Of course, in getting there late, we were forced to sit in the front ... of a circle. And they were introducing the people in our department to everyone else. ... and I was wearing a shirt that said 'Some people are alive simply because it's illegal to kill them'.

        Needless to say, the executive director wasn't pleased, and decided to issue a memo on his interpretation of the dress code. I tried explaining that a t-shirt qualifies as a 'shirt with a collar', as it has a 'crew neck collar', and they'd need to amend he dress code to say 'dress collar'. They also didn't appreciate my purchase of an embroidery machine to put 'a collar' on a shirt. Or that I pointed out that their restricting logos on shirts meant that the shirts they distribued to some of the other departments vioated the dress code. They also didn't appreciate when I wore a gorget to meet the 'collar' requirement (although, I think it had more to do with the platemail).

        I kept it up, until I finally got fired for 'use of sarcasm'.

        Whereas, at my new job, I wore a tie in for the first week, and by Friday, I was told 'if you wear a tie in again, I'll string you up by it'. It's much less stressful, but unfortunately, now I don't have an outlet for all of my obnoxious ties.

Re: You've just spilled something on your tie at lunch... Do you:
by jonadab (Parson) on Sep 23, 2007 at 11:39 UTC

    Normally I don't eat with a tie on. The community I live in tends to be fairly informal in matters of dress, so a tie is usually not needed, and certainly not for meals. If an occasion is formal enough to demand a tie, it's clearly too formal for my messy eating habbits!

    However, if it ever does happen, I just slip off to the restroom and wash it out. Almost any food stain will wash out easily with cold water if you get it right away before it dries. This is also what I do whenever I spill something on my shirt, which happens with some degree of frequency. (Yeah, I eat with a shirt on all the time. We're not *that* informal in Galion. Sometimes even a button-down-the-front shirt with a collar, e.g., if I work a long shift at work and eat in the middle of it.) I wouldn't want to ruin a perfectly good tie, just because I spilled a little food. I paid as much as $5 for some of my ties.

    -- 
    We're working on a six-year set of freely redistributable Vacation Bible School materials.
Re: You've just spilled something on your tie at lunch... Do you:
by wfsp (Abbot) on Sep 23, 2007 at 13:28 UTC
    My father had three children and he lived to a ripe old age (that's a lot of birthday and Christmas presents).

    I'm now the proud owner of dozens and dozens of ties, some still in their wrappers and quite a few that look vaguely familiar. :-)

Re: You've just spilled something on your tie at lunch... Do you:
by apl (Monsignor) on Sep 23, 2007 at 14:07 UTC
    I dab off the mess, and let it go. I didn't want to wear the tie in the first place...
Re: You've just spilled something on your tie at lunch... Do you:
by davies (Vicar) on Sep 23, 2007 at 14:27 UTC
    ... try to work out where I found the time for lunch. Maybe I'll get time for breakfast one day.

    Regards,

    John
Re: You've just spilled something on your tie at lunch... Do you:
by vcTheGuru (Chaplain) on Sep 23, 2007 at 17:27 UTC

    Anything can go wrong at any time. You will keep backup of all your programs, softwares, etc . . . etc . . . Then Why don't you get prepared for something like this? I keep a spare tie in by bottom drawer, another in my car whenever possible.... So I will put on the spare tie from the bottom drawer

    Cheers !

    --VC



    There are three sides to any argument.....
    your side, my side and the right side.

Re: You've just spilled something on your tie at lunch... Do you:
by ysth (Canon) on Sep 23, 2007 at 22:59 UTC
    I'd like to say I don't wear ties because they symbolize an inappropriate division between the heart and the head, but really I just don't like how they feel. However, I do wear a belt.
Re: You've just spilled something on your tie at lunch... Do you:
by Anonymous Monk on Sep 24, 2007 at 14:05 UTC
    The key is to always wear a tie that coordinates with the lunch you have planned. Hence the Barbeque colored polo (also good for spaghetti day). gj
      ++ I wish I'd thought of that!
      Shame you didn't login, well worth putting your handle to it.
Re: You've just spilled something on your tie at lunch... Do you:
by poqui (Deacon) on Sep 24, 2007 at 15:03 UTC
    Wow! I haven't worn a tie to work since 1993; since then only for interviews and funerals.

    Maybe there is a deep connection between the 2...
      I don't even wear a tie then. If not wearing a tie means I don't get the job, then I didn't want the job anyway.
Re: You've just spilled something on your tie at lunch... Do you:
by Aim9b (Monk) on Sep 24, 2007 at 18:11 UTC
    Back when we were forced to wear ties, I actually had this happen....no, no, it's true. I dropped an open sharpie & it made a rather nice off-center contrasting dot on my otherwise plain colored tie. So I just put one next to it, and an 85 degree arc below it & told the 3 people that asked, where THEY TOO could get a smiley face tie.
Re: You've just spilled something on your tie at lunch... Do you:
by menolly (Hermit) on Sep 24, 2007 at 21:39 UTC

    When I was in HS, the official dresss code for quiz bowl competitions was "coat and tie". Now, it was implied, or at least tradition, that this was the male dress code, and girls were simply to wear "Sunday best".

    Not my team. We wore coats and ties regardless of gender. I don't think I've worn a tie since, however. Even if I didn't live in SoCal and work in industries where shorts are more common than suits, it's not expected. However, having done both, I'd wear a suit and tie over hose and heels any day.

Re: You've just spilled something on your tie at lunch... Do you:
by cdarke (Prior) on Sep 25, 2007 at 07:35 UTC
    In a previous life I had to wear a tie if I went to a client site. I went to one to look at a problem and the IT manager refused to believe I was the developer because (you guessed it) I was wearing a tie - the lack of beard and sandals didn't help either.

    If I had spilled something on the tie he would have believed me.
Re: You've just spilled something on your tie at lunch... Do you:
by tubaandy (Deacon) on Sep 25, 2007 at 14:22 UTC
    When I originally started the job I'm in now, we had to wear shirt and tie. That stopped several years ago now, which is nice.

    The place I thought a tie was most unnecessary was when I was teaching a chemistry laboratory course to some customers. We wore ties under our lab coats (and concerned me that I was going to spill nitric or hydrochloric acid on my tie, not just some innocuous food items).

    Now I mostly wear ties for concerts. I have a nice tuba tie (go figure).

    Plus, this is an opportunity to show people you know how to tie more than an overhand knot. :)

    tubaandy
      You no longer have to wear a shirt to work? Wow, that's some office!
Re: You've just spilled something on your tie at lunch... Do you:
by papidave (Monk) on Sep 26, 2007 at 17:16 UTC
    I never had a problem with wearing a tie, and a full windsor knot (not the wimpy half windsor most techies use, when they have to) looks pretty good if the tie isn't too wide. The problem is that people don't wear neckties much any more -- in my job or even at church -- so I pretty much had to give up wearing them most of the time.

    Wearing a necktie at a formal (or even semiformal) gathering -- many of which include food -- might provide a situation where I might spill on it, but that's typically not a lunch event.

    Keep in mind, however, that spilling something on tye at lunch might land you in the Belly of the Borg :)

    Update, 27-Sept Went out to lunch, didn't wear a tie. Spilled contents of my burger, and now have to deal with a stain on my pants (trousers, for those of you in the EU). *sigh*

      Beat me to the punch on two counts!

      I figured somebody would have made the tied variables joke a while ago, but I thought I'd sneak in on the Tye joke.

      Secondly, I lament that men do not wear ties as much anymore. Maybe it is because my job is tie-optional (I'll wear a tie if somebody outside the company is meeting with me that day, or if I'm interviewing somebody), but I think it is pretty fun to dress up.

      As to ties being worthless, functionality wise, a lot of things we do and wear are. The male trunk, however, is fairly flat and boring, and the friendly necktie is a handy way of breaking up that featureless area.

Re: You've just spilled something on your tie at lunch... Do you:
by imcsk8 (Pilgrim) on Sep 26, 2007 at 17:41 UTC
    Ties are one of the weirdest accesories man have ever invented, it does not protect you against weather, does not make you look better and it definitely does not make you smarter rich or important. It just make you look like someone that's following a rule, like a soldier, the people that wear ties are using them as a part of a uniform needed to navigate on their environmnent (think lawyers and politicians), that uniform is a suit.

    Some people like lawyers wear them because is the standard uniform for the "serious" "give confidence" people on this society. Unfortunately it is used by stupid people to make them look smart in front of other stupid people.

    I think ties are a stupidiest accesorie ever and should be discarded from the wardrobes of the ones that need a "serious" uniform. Really, you can look "elegant" or "serious" without a damed tie.

    In the other hand if you need a tie in order to feel important or smart you should rethink your ego parameters.


    ignorance, the plague is everywhere
    --guttermouth
Re: You've just spilled something on your tie at lunch... Do you:
by naikonta (Curate) on Sep 26, 2007 at 19:13 UTC
    I almost never use tie, both in fashion and code, specially at lunch. Of course in certain conditions, I don't mind to use tie and tie.

    Open source softwares? Share and enjoy. Make profit from them if you can. Yet, share and enjoy!

Re: You've just spilled something on your tie at lunch... Do you:
by tinita (Parson) on Sep 26, 2007 at 19:47 UTC
    come to think of it - i should try it out and wear a tie. imagine a girl with a pink mohawk, black cargo pants, sneakers, black shirt and - a tie. now does that make me look like a professional programmer?

      I would have to see that in order to answer your question. Get a photo taken and let us all have a look. :)

        i'll try to get a tie for the next YAPC::Europe, promised, and probably *someone* will take a photo of it. i wonder if can get one with onions on it...
Re: You've just spilled STONEY TANGAWIZI on your tie at lunch...
by Anonymous Monk on Sep 26, 2007 at 19:49 UTC
    It is shameful that the option "Suck on your tie" was carelessly omitted!!1!
Re: You've just spilled something on your tie at lunch... Do you:
by drip (Beadle) on Sep 27, 2007 at 05:24 UTC
    Ties???i would rather wear a choker...hehe
Re: You've just spilled something on your tie at lunch... Do you:
by gregor42 (Parson) on Sep 27, 2007 at 13:57 UTC

    I wrote this poll last friday when I found myself in exactly the described situation. I wear a tie to work just about every day and usually get comments when I don't. This isn't because they're required. They're not. It's that I wear them when they're not required and people have grown accustomed to seeing me 'in uniform'.

    Why?

    (white shirt + tie) > (ponytail + earring)

    Sad but true. But you have to understand that it's all about managing upwards.

    I'm currently working at a fortune 200 company and though as a Solutions Architect I never interact with clients and only occasionally with vendors, I do interact with executives regularly. If it puts them at ease in any way or foolishly impresses them then it's only to my benefit.

    I'm not saying it's for everyone - it's just what works for me. In all the time I've worked here no one has ever mentioned my perpetuating the dying stereotype of the grunge-programmer. They only see the 'suit'. (And I don't wear a jacket, so it's NOT a suit...)

    But that being said - I wore that stained tie all day - went home & my wife explained how idiotic it was. The following Monday I saw that the poll was up & promptly did it again. (OK no more eating in the truck at lunch time and browsing on my iPhone)

    This time I took it off. Had I lived in Japan I might have purchased a one-use paper one. No, I didn't have one in the bottom drawer - yet - but I will soon. In fact, no one said a word to me about it either way.

    I also like to print out source code on dead trees and debug with a pencil while at lunch sometimes - which almost always acquires stains... Usually some good ideas too.

    Does this just make me a relic? I hated ties with a passion in the 90's. But The Matrix pretty much killed the Nehru thing, not to mention the shiny black leather anything look. Now I have to hunt through hundreds of them to find one that I would actually wear - but I DO find it eventually.

    I don't even really like the "wear jeans to work" days - they're just not as comfortable... Man, when did this happen to me? Is this what getting old is? Hey you kids get off my lawn!

    - Gregor42



    Wait! This isn't a Parachute, this is a Backpack!
Re: You've just spilled something on your tie at lunch... Do you:
by spiritway (Vicar) on Sep 27, 2007 at 16:50 UTC

    Definitely leave it on until lunch is over, just in case I spill more stuff...

    BTW - *what* tie?

Re: You've just spilled something on your tie at lunch... Do you:
by Rachna (Sexton) on Oct 01, 2007 at 19:24 UTC
    It would look really funny if a girl were to wear a tie! But if I were to wear one, I would leave it on till the dinner is over, in case I spilled some more :-D
Re: You've just spilled something on your tie at lunch... Do you:
by apl (Monsignor) on Oct 02, 2007 at 19:05 UTC
    I flip my tie over my shoulder when I eat lunch. If I got something on my tie, I also got it on my face, my shirt, and the guy on my left...
Re: You've just spilled something on your tie at lunch... Do you:
by atyrrell (Initiate) on Aug 27, 2008 at 23:24 UTC
    Yet another "male" directed poll question... It's just sad that there are so few women that program. If I wore a tie I would be able to answer this, but unfortunately it wouldn't really go with my skirt. Maybe I should post a poll question that says "The heel of your stiletto just snapped off... Do you:"

      These posts make me wish I could more than one up-vote per post. This deserves the rest of my votes for today.

      BTW the mere thought of women wearing ties makes me shivver. Awful.


      Enjoy, Have FUN! H.Merijn
Re: You've just spilled something on your tie at lunch... Do you:
by ksublondie (Pilgrim) on Oct 01, 2008 at 20:07 UTC
    Ties are uncomfortable? You've got it easy boys...try wearing pantyhose, bras, high-heels and makeup, just to name a few.

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