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Do you have a middle name?

by ambrus (Abbot)
on Dec 01, 2009 at 11:21 UTC ( #810353=poll: print w/ replies, xml ) Need Help??

vote on Do you have a middle name?

No
[bar] 105/22%
No, but I'd like one
[bar] 16/3%
No, but I compensate with a double-barrelled surname
[bar] 10/2%
Yes, but I hate it
[bar] 42/9%
Yes
[bar] 286/59%
Other
[bar] 23/5%
482 total votes
Comment on Do you have a middle name?
Re: Do you have a middle name?
by Anonymous Monk on Dec 01, 2009 at 11:46 UTC
      I do hate it but at least its not Tiberius.. = )
      bobby!
Re: Do you have a middle name?
by bart (Canon) on Dec 01, 2009 at 12:05 UTC
    Here in Belgium it's a tradition that children get a first name, plus the name of the godfather and godmother (possibly converted to the child's sex) as a second and a third, but they're never used apart from on on official documents.

    So... is that a "yes", or a "no"?

      In Russia, a middle name is always a father's name with gender endings. For instance, my father's name is Aleksandr, so my Father, hence middle, name is Aleksandrovich, on the other hand, if I was a girl, my father name would be Aleksandrovna. In addition to ovich and ovna endings, there is a variation evich, evna, depending on which name is used. This is just a fun brainstorm, so I, to be quick, only did ovich, ovna. In context with english names:
      @Michael = ('Michaelovich', 'Michaelovna);
      or
      my @genderEnding = ('ovich', 'ovna'); my @genderType = ('Male', 'Female'); my $genderSelected = 1; my $fathersName = &promptConsole("What's your father's name"); my $gender = &promptConsole("What's your gender"); for my $gen (qw{m male man boy}){ $genderSelected = 0 if(lc($gender) eq $gen); } print "Since, you are $genderType[$genderSelected], your father (middl +e) name is $fathersName$genderEnding[$genderSelected]\n"; sub promptConsole{ print shift, ": "; my $in = <>; $in =~ s/[\r\n\cM]+$//; return $in; }
      :)
      Pardon me, I've wrote this script after voting without testing as a fun brainstorm :) and I've made a couple of bugs. People messaged me, saying that it's not working, so I've fixed it. I've misspelled sub call to $fathersName and I used <INPUT> instead of <>. I got it mixed up with an other programming language. I don't even remember which one, but here we go, the fixed version.
Re: Do you have a middle name?
by cdarke (Prior) on Dec 01, 2009 at 14:02 UTC
    Yes, but I ignore it.
      Same here. In Germany the middle name(s) are often ignored, so I only use it for important legal documents. In normal communication it's easy and safe to ignore.

      That said I appreciate my parent's effort to give me another name which I could use if I didn't like my first name :-)

Re: Do you have a middle name?
by wfsp (Abbot) on Dec 01, 2009 at 15:36 UTC
    Yes. Francis Frances Francis. But I got fed up trying to remember how to spell it.
      So, if we call you by your middle name, will you have to kill us?

      Stripes reference...

      tubaandy
Re: Do you have a middle name?
by talexb (Canon) on Dec 01, 2009 at 17:54 UTC
Re: Do you have a middle name?
by Unforgiven (Hermit) on Dec 01, 2009 at 19:19 UTC

    Have a middle name. If it weren't for legal documents and whatnot, I wouldn't even remember it.

    Other than to honor someone by naming a kid after them, don't see much point or use to them.

Re: Do you have a middle name?
by almut (Canon) on Dec 01, 2009 at 19:35 UTC

    Yes, but it's even worse than the first ;)   ("Annemarie")

    (I sometimes wondered whether my parents were too lazy to look beyond letter A ...  but I'm just a tad too well-bred to have ever asked.)

Re: Do you have a middle name?
by pmonk4ever (Friar) on Dec 01, 2009 at 19:52 UTC
    Actually have 2 middle names, never use either one of them, except on my passport...

    pmonk4ever

    "No trees were harmed in the creation of this node. However, a rather large number of electrons were somewhat inconvenienced."

      Ditto.

      Lingua::EN::ParseName can't handle two middle names. I feel so marginalised :P

      If you have 2 middle names, then neither of them is actually in the middle. Don't you therefore have to take the average? Or am I getting confused with the less well known concept of a median name? :-)
        Yep, just an average joe!

        pmonk4ever

        "No trees were harmed in the creation of this node. However, a rather large number of electrons were somewhat inconvenienced."

Re: Do you have a middle name?
by BrowserUk (Pope) on Dec 01, 2009 at 19:57 UTC

    For any one who feels hard done by their parents for giving them one or two extraneous middle names, consider this guy who was christened:

    Adolph Blaine Charles David Earl Frederick Gerald Hubert Irvim John Kenneth Loyd Martin Nero Oliver Paul Quincy Randolph Sherman Thomas Uncas Victor Willian Xerxes Yancy Zeus

    And when you've counted your blessings, count'em again. The poor sod's surname is:

    Wolfeschlegelsteinhausenbergerdorffvoralternwarengewissenhaf tschaferswesenchafewarenwholgepflegeundsorgfaltigkeitbeschut zenvonangereifenduchihrraubgiriigfeindewelchevorralternzwolf tausendjahresvorandieerscheinenbanderersteerdeemmeshedrraums chiffgebrauchlichtalsseinursprungvonkraftgestartseinlangefah rthinzwischensternartigraumaufdersuchenachdiesternwelshegeha btbewohnbarplanetenkreisedrehensichundwohinderneurassevanver standigmenshlichkeittkonntevortpflanzenundsicherfreunanleben slamdlichfreudeundruhemitnichteinfurchtvorangreifenvonandere rintlligentgeschopfsvonhinzwischensternartigraum

    Oh! And "Senior" just for good measure :)


    Examine what is said, not who speaks -- Silence betokens consent -- Love the truth but pardon error.
    "Science is about questioning the status quo. Questioning authority".
    In the absence of evidence, opinion is indistinguishable from prejudice.
      I always wondered where the Monty Python sketch about Johann Gambolputty.... came from.

      And now I have a Tim Wilson song in my head "She named me Dale Darrel Waltrip Richard Petty Rusty Awesome Bill Irvin Gordon Earnhardt Smith. Johnson. Jr. I guess you could say Mama was a NASCAR fan."

      --
      tbone1, YAPS (Yet Another Perl Schlub)
      And remember, if he succeeds, so what.
      - Chick McGee

        I was and avid fan of MP (the first time around), but I don't have any recollection of that sketch. I had to look it up.

        Now I'm wondering which came first :)


        Examine what is said, not who speaks -- Silence betokens consent -- Love the truth but pardon error.
        "Science is about questioning the status quo. Questioning authority".
        In the absence of evidence, opinion is indistinguishable from prejudice.
      This guy is a hoax.

      The name is just a copy and paste of a couple of German phrases. (including substrings like "populated planets", "12 thousand years" and "spaceship" ;)

      Taking into account that 100 years ago a big part of the US population was still fluent in German, especially in Pennsylvania, it's very hard to believe that authorities would really accept such a passport.

      Cheers Rolf

        Apparently it translates to:

        Wolfeschlegelsteinhausenbergerdorff who, of old were conscientious shepherds whose sheep were well tended and carefully protected from attack by rapacious enemies, who, of old twelve thousand years ago, to them appeared, when the first earth human from the spaceship, using light as origin of power, that started its long journey between the starry space, searching for those stars that have habitable planet circles and in which the new race of sensible humanity could procreate and enjoy a lifelong joy and peace with not a fear for attack by other intelligent creatures from starry space

        As for the authenticity, I have really no way of knowing, but he was apparently in several editions of the Guiness Book of Records, including with a picture in the 1980 edition. According to the internet!

        As for real world truth and Perlmonks--it's just an amusing anecdote.


        Examine what is said, not who speaks -- Silence betokens consent -- Love the truth but pardon error.
        "Science is about questioning the status quo. Questioning authority".
        In the absence of evidence, opinion is indistinguishable from prejudice.
Re: Do you have a middle name?
by codeacrobat (Chaplain) on Dec 01, 2009 at 20:03 UTC
Re: Do you have a middle name?
by johngg (Abbot) on Dec 02, 2009 at 00:35 UTC

    I voted "Yes" although I would have voted "Yes, but I hate it" if I still hated it. I did hate it as a kid, t'was not an easy name to go through school with, but now I just think it's funny. In my parent's defence, Godfrey was my dad's middle name as well :-/

    Cheers,

    JohnGG

Re: Do you have a middle name?
by Tux (Monsignor) on Dec 02, 2009 at 08:32 UTC

    Yes, but it is used as my primary name :)

    H.Merijn Brand


    Enjoy, Have FUN! H.Merijn
      Is it because you find it embaressing? Hilary? Hagatha? Hooker? Haliburton? :p
Re: Do you have a middle name?
by Camel_thirst (Friar) on Dec 02, 2009 at 09:12 UTC

    "Blues" is my middle name. ;)

Re: Do you have a middle name?
by tirwhan (Abbot) on Dec 02, 2009 at 09:39 UTC

    My parents forgot to give me a middle name, so my sister (three years younger) got two. She hates both of them. (True story, swear to dog :-)


    All dogma is stupid.
Re: Do you have a middle name?
by jonadab (Parson) on Dec 02, 2009 at 11:42 UTC

    I kind of like my middle name (Andrew) and wouldn't have minded if it were my first (given) name, although the one I have (Nathan) is okay too. Both are too common (and therefore non-distinctive) to use on the internet, but I find ways around that.

    As far as I'm aware, I have known one person who doesn't have a middle name  an MK who grew up overseas. It's just barely conceivable that I've met other people who didn't have one and I was unaware of the fact because it never came up, but I definitely only know of the one. He was surprised to find that a lot of people around here refuse to believe him when they ask for his middle name and he says he doesn't have one. They think he just doesn't like his middle name and doesn't want to give it, which is fairly common, unlike not having one at all, which is pretty much unheard-of (he's living in northern Indiana). I met him in college, where the username he was assigned for email purposes didn't follow the usual pattern -- everybody else was lastfm (with last truncated to six letters if necessary) and on his the middle initial was just missing. People used to ask him, enviously, how much he had to bribe the computer center people to give him a username without his middle initial on it. He was the only one on campus like that.

    On the other hand, I've met several people who have two middle names, a couple of people whose official middle name is just a single letter and frequently gets mistaken for an initial (which annoys them), and two people whose surname traditionally comes first (both foreigners, obviously).

    I've also met several people who have *exactly* the same name (first, middle, and last) as their father, which is deeply messed up IMO.

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    We're working on a multi-year set of freely redistributable Vacation Bible School materials.
Re: Do you have a middle name?
by nimdokk (Vicar) on Dec 02, 2009 at 13:28 UTC
    I've got the exact same first middle last as a cousin of mine (he's about 10 years older). Purely coincidence though. I'm just fortunate that I didn't get stuck with a middle name, then a baptismal name and a confirmation name (the middle name stands in for the other two).

      Same first middle last as a cousin and you believe it's a coincidence? I'm guessing you were both named after the same relative.


      Information about American English usage here and here. Floating point issues? Please read this before posting. — emc

Re: Do you have a middle name?
by tbone1 (Monsignor) on Dec 02, 2009 at 13:58 UTC
    I use my middle name; I'm rather forced to. My parents named me after a very good friend of my father's who died in Vietnam right before I was born. However, they didn't realize that "Richard Burton" was also about to be a world-famous actor. And what's more, there are a lot of Richard Burtons out there. Many more than you'd think. So I tend to use my middle name to keep things clear, since some of my very extended family tend to do some rather unsavory things.

    --
    tbone1, YAPS (Yet Another Perl Schlub)
    And remember, if he succeeds, so what.
    - Chick McGee

      Good name Burton... "Richard Burton" it has gravitas! much in the same way as

      Bond ... "James Bond" stick with it tbone1

        Reminds me of the Russ Abbott line, "The name's Bond ... Basildon Bond. I have letters after my name."

        Cheers,

        JohnGG

Re: Do you have a middle name?
by ambrus (Abbot) on Dec 02, 2009 at 14:11 UTC

    I don't have a middle name. Only half of the people here have middle names (most of those don't use it at all, a few only in their full names, and I've yet to see anyone who is actually called on their middle name). I'm still sad I don't have one despite of this. I once asked my parents why they didn't give me one (nor to my brother), having invented complicated conspiracy theories before about what they were hiding, but they said they were just too busy at that time and inventing one good name was hard enough. On the other hand, they at least told what my middle name would have been if they had thought of it at that time (the name of my great-grandfather, quite logically).

      There's nothing stopping you choosing your own, that said what would you pick?

      I wonder if anyone has chosen Perl yet for a first or middle name.

        Perl is an excellent name for give to a girl, unless she's a little on the slow side. Then you'd call her Ruby.

Re: Do you have a middle name?
by biohisham (Priest) on Dec 02, 2009 at 16:06 UTC

    Here are some facts about naming in some other cultures, they don't imply nothing but a spirit to share and widen the scope of the interaction a little bit.

    In parts of southern and sub-Saharan Africa, they have two names, a baptismal Christian name and an African traditional name, they use the Christian name for their passports and official papers and the traditional name in social gatherings and functions. Out of curiosity to understand how this system works I wondered if that doesn't give a room for identity swapping because those who aren't Christians would have only African names corresponding to their culture or names from their religion so a country institution can have a less uniform and more flexible naming system in provision for adopting all the various naming schemes, it really takes an insider to comprehend the difficulty of implementing such a system, I gave up and satisfied by only admiring the agility and vibrant ways of these different cultures...

    In much of the Middle East parts, they have a naming system that is a chain starting with your name, your father's name, your grandpa's, great grandpa's, great great grandpa's...etc till the name of the one the entire tribe sprang out of and to whom the name of the tribe belongs... all these in a sequence so you know where you exactly is from...For practicality in official papers it is sufficient to write the first four or five names and optionally followed by the tribe name..This can make a lot easier the process of building a family tree IMHO and tracking ancestry relationships for some previous hundred years...

    In India, they can tell from the surname, in much of the cases, the social order (caste position) of someone, I don't know how it works exactly, but that seems to apply for everyone, historically this has caused much prejudice against those of castes considered to be lower in the social order scale they were outcasts till they made constitutional provisions for them and got them under a criteria of 'scheduled castes / tribes' and reserving quotas for them in Education and restoring them much of the rights denied by their 'surname's still, there are some who vindicate against inter-caste marriages and interactions, this provides grounds for some communal unrest, suicides and other unpleasant things...

    These are just quick facts from here and there, just to share and thanks for the interesting poll...take care everyone...



    Excellence is an Endeavor of Persistence. Chance Favors a Prepared Mind.
      In much of the Middle East parts, they have a naming system that is a chain starting with your name, your father's name, your grandpa's, great grandpa's, great great grandpa's...

      Which can cause an endless loop, like in the case of Boutros Boutros-Ghali, Boutros is an Arabized form of Petros, and it seems his family loves to baptize the eldest son after Saint Peter... 8)

      Cheers Rolf

        I think it can lead to actual loops, because Gilgamesh has traveled back in time and became his own grandfather at least they say he's two thirds part god and one third part mortal, and I can't think of an easier way how that's possible.

      Mc-
      Mac-
      -son
      -sen
      -ić
      all these pre/suf-ixes common for surnames literally mean "son of" (Boutros ibin Boutros, Boutros son of Boutros)
        this is an 'AHA' moment, I wondered why McDonald's was named McDonald's so it is Son of Donald's :P..

        Macintosh is son of 'Intosh'..

        My imagination is taking me somewhere with McB**ch...
Re: Do you have a middle name?
by apl (Monsignor) on Dec 03, 2009 at 13:49 UTC
    My father arrived at Basic Training for the United States Navy in 1952. All of the new meat was lined up, and an NCO walked the line getting basic information. He reached my father, and the exchange went like this:

    NCO: "Name: last, first, middle initial".

    Dad: "Lappin, Arthur".

    NCO: "Have you forgotten your middle name Lappin, Arthur?"

    Dad: "No, Chief Petty Officer. I don't have one."

    NCO: "What is your CHRISTIAN name, Lappin, Arthur?"

    Dad: "I'm a Jew, Chief Petty Officer. I don't *have* a Christian name."

    NCO: "From now on, your middle initial is NMI (No Middle Initial)! Now get down and give me 50 push-ups!"

    Dad made certain his children had middle names...

      ...middle name is a good possession in such situation. Remembering Catch 22, with except of the name like Major.
      nice anecdote :-)

      At university I was under the impression that a middle initial would make my name sound much cooler ... that's why I used an (invented) one... however I would never have dared to use it in an "official situation". ;-)

      Rata (now being wiser and living happily even without any middle name)

        "I used an (invented) one... "

        OK.. Now we're all dying to know what you invented

      A good firend of mine has a similar story. It was common practice to use initials as names (for instance Harry S Truman), and his grandfathers name was R.B. Koch. When he was being processed through basic training, this happened:

      NCO: Name?
      Grandfather: R.B. Koch.
      NCO: No initials. Name?
      Grandfather: The initials are my name. I'm R.B. Koch.
      NCO: The inital stands for something. What's your name?
      Grandfather: It doesn't stand for something. It's R. only B. only Koch.

      The story goes that from that day on he was called Ronly Bonly Koch.
        The Military made such a big deal about names, but in reality, once you graduated Boot Camp, everyone called you by your last name, which was confusing for all the sailors named 'Jones' & 'Smith'!!!

        pmonk4ever

        "No trees were harmed in the creation of this node. However, a rather large number of electrons were somewhat inconvenienced."

        In the "South" (USA), there's a long tradition of giving the seventh son initials instead of a name. An old friend of mine was the seventh son of a seventh son and his name was WD. Recently I've met a couple of 20-something guys with initials instead of names so I guess the tradition lives on in Texas.

      In Chile, the last name (apellido) has two parts: the first last name of the father (apellido paterno) followed by the first last name of the mother (apellido materno).

      My father was an army officer for some years in the USA. Although he had a middle name, the middle initial he was given was from his second last name!!!

Re: Do you have a middle name?
by jeffreyray (Sexton) on Dec 03, 2009 at 23:36 UTC
    Ray is my middle name, but I'm getting rid of my last name. I'm not sure if that means I won't have a last name or a middle name...

      jeffreyray " Ray is my middle name, but I'm getting rid of my last name. I'm not sure if that means I won't have a last name or a middle name... "

      And become jeff ...ray not much change then!

Re: Do you have a middle name?
by Skeeve (Vicar) on Dec 04, 2009 at 11:18 UTC

    Yes, but I don't use it.


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Re: Do you have a middle name?
by Sisyphus (Hermit) on Dec 06, 2009 at 13:22 UTC
    Yes, but I seldom use it.
Re: Do you have a middle name?
by wjw (Deacon) on Dec 07, 2009 at 00:49 UTC
    According to my parents, my middle name was supposed to be my first. They wanted to name me after John Wesley. They were disappointed to discover that there had already been a John Wieland in recent history, so they decided to reverse the two. I appreciate their flexibility, as I see a certain symmetry in the initials 'wjw' which I like (as narcissistic as that may be)

    Names are a funny thing. I am to be a grandfather (..man! that sounds wierd!) in April, and my daughter asked me if I would mind if she used my first name as her sons name. I was rather proud. Then my wife, (not the mother of my pregnant daughter) and adopted daughter who are Russian told me that it is not a good thing to do. Apparently, there is a long standing belief in some parts of Russia that two living people in the same family should not have the same name, as one or the other of them won't live long. Conflicting traditions make for interesting quandaries. I figure we are all in the US now, so that set of traditions must apply, and my wife and daughter don't seem too terribly upset about it.

    'Grandpa Wes'... too weird!

    • ...the majority is always wrong, and always the last to know about it...
    • The Spice must flow...
    • ..by my will, and by will alone.. I set my mind in motion
      there is a long standing belief in some parts of Russia that two living people in the same family should not have the same name, as one or the other of them won't live long.
      My people are Russian (though we've been in the U.S. since 1895), and I was told the same story as a child. The reason was that you didn't want the Angel of Death to get confused...

      Even as a kid I thought that was strange. All that power, and the AoD couldn't get the details of his job straight? 8-)

      My sister's Jewish husband's family has the same tradition: no child can have the same name as a living relative. Considering that my nephew John (on my wife's side) has exactly two male cousins, both of whom named John, I can see the reasons for the tradition.

      Of course, I share the same middle name as my father and his father, whose middle name was from his grandfather. I got my first name from my great-grandfather.

      My father claimed he and my mother spent a lot of effort on names, so I don't have the first name as any of my 20-odd cousins I have between my father's and mother's sides.


      Information about American English usage here and here. Floating point issues? Please read this before posting. — emc

Re: Do you have a middle name?
by stonecolddevin (Vicar) on Dec 07, 2009 at 09:39 UTC

    I have 3 first names actually.

    mtfnpy

Re: Do you have a middle name?
by gwadej (Chaplain) on Dec 08, 2009 at 15:43 UTC

    Of course.

    The real question is Do I have a first name?<grin/>

    G. Wade
Re: Do you have a middle name?
by nimdokk (Vicar) on Dec 10, 2009 at 19:43 UTC
    I'm somehow reminded of the gag on M*A*S*H. Where Hawkeye was trying to figure out what B.J. stood for in B.J. Hunnicutt's name. Of course it was for his parents: mother "Bea" and father "Jay".
Re: Do you have a middle name?
by matze77 (Friar) on Dec 12, 2009 at 09:28 UTC

    I got a middle name too, actually it is my first name but it is not used, my parents got the wise idea to give me a first name (which is on all official documents like drivers licence and a "calling" name which is actually my 2nd name)
    so it came that when i had to go for the german army "Bundeswehr" they called me with my 1st name which i wasnt used to, i didnt react and the officer got pissed of mumbling something like "those recruits dont even know their names" ;-).
    The reason why my parents changed my "calling" name to Matthias is cause a grand aunt remembered a drunkard in the family line which had the name which i should get as 1st and calling name so she thought it would be an ill omen. I am grateful for this aunt ... M. J. Haegele ;-).

Re: Do you have a middle name?
by Anonymous Monk on Jan 03, 2010 at 23:22 UTC
    When I was taken to my foster parents, aged 3 months, the Social worker forgot to tell Mum my name so when Dad came home he nicknamed me Susie Blue. (No phone in 1960!) When they found out my real name was Denise Mallin they didn't like it & got permission to have me baptised Susan Denise. My foster sister, Gina, (short for Georgina - which she hates!) always wanted a middle name. As she was born on St Patricks Day she adopted Patricia as a teenager, but now uses Maria?? I came on to this site to find out why so many South African people use initials instead of names (eg AB de Villiers)Can anyone tell me?

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