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Selected best nodes - nothing recent, why?

by mje (Curate)
on Sep 12, 2011 at 13:04 UTC ( #925463=monkdiscuss: print w/ replies, xml ) Need Help??

Last night I intended watching last weeks Most Dangerous Roads on the BBC but I'd missed it so thought I'd just check the newest nodes here instead. For some reason Selected Best Nodes caught my attention and I wondered when I'd last (if ever) checked them.

There are some really interesting and sometimes funny posts in the top 50 but as I read through them I particularly noticed they are all old nodes. In fact a quick scan of the 50 I was presented with (I'm assuming everyone gets the same list but I don't know that) showed that all were before 2007 and the majority are pre-2005.

  • 2000 1
  • 2001 12
  • 2002 15
  • 2003 5
  • 2004 11
  • 2005 4
  • 2006 1
  • 2007 1

I've only been a monk since 2005 so perhaps the voting system changed. Perhaps less people vote, there are less active monks or we just don't write as many vote worthy nodes as we did in the past. Perhaps something else I've not thought of.

Any comments?

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Re: Selected best nodes - nothing recent, why?
by moritz (Cardinal) on Sep 12, 2011 at 13:25 UTC
    Looking at the Rep column in Selected Best Nodes I see rather high values. In my four years here at perlmonks I've never seen a contemporary node even approaching a reputatition of 200, and Best Nodes shows only one above 100.

    So yes, there were more higher-ranked nodes back in the days™, and I remember reading about a change in the voting/XP system, but I don't know if it is the root cause for your observation.

      In my four years here at perlmonks I've never seen a contemporary node even approaching a reputation of 200
      I'm pretty sure there is one (only) node since 2007 with a reputation above 200, namely Don't go all PerlMonks on me by bobf posted on April 9 2007, which today has a reputation of 270.

      The often cited and classic XY Problem by jdporter (reputation today: 263) was posted on April 10 2006 and so would have been visible on "Best nodes of the year" for a few months early in 2007.

      Best Nodes shows only one above 100
      Just noticed that Erudil (in the period 2000-2002) posted a total of thirteen Perl Monks nodes and every one of them is 100+! In order, as at Dec 2012, their rep is: 763, 650, 407, 365, 309, 209, 205, 203, 194, 154, 138, 112, 100 for an average node rep of 293!!

Re: Selected best nodes - nothing recent, why?
by Anonymous Monk on Sep 12, 2011 at 13:26 UTC

    Slow die off :)?

    The XP system changed, levels increased and vote allocations were cut...

    Its probably biased sql query of some sort :)

Re: Selected best nodes - nothing recent, why?
by davies (Vicar) on Sep 12, 2011 at 14:10 UTC

    Two main reasons. 1) There was more scope for originality on this site before anyone had written anything. 2) Older nodes have a larger audience, both those who were here back then and those that are here now. With the thick end of a million nodes in the monastery, it takes longer that it used to before any given number of monks sees a particular node. Old nodes still garner upvotes this year, but this year's nodes have no chance of being upvoted five or more years ago:-). I have no doubt, that in another five years, nodes like Drunk on golf: 99 Bottles of Beer will have well over 100 votes. But by then, the threshold for getting into "Selected Best" will be even higher.

    Regards,

    John Davies

      I have no doubt, that in another five years, nodes like Drunk on golf: 99 Bottles of Beer will have well over 100 votes.
      How I wish that were true. However, I believe your prediction is well wide of the mark. This node currently has a reputation of 46 and I predict it will be around 50 in five years time. See you in five years to see who was right. :) Update: Dec 1 2011: 49 votes; Jan 1 2012: 50 votes; Oct 18 2012: 50 votes; Nov 18 2012: 51 votes; Jan 20 2013: 52 votes; May 21 2013: 52 votes; May 27 2013: 53 votes; Nov 2013: 53 votes; Nov 2014: 54 votes.

      I've noticed that "blockbuster" nodes, for example brian's Guide to Solving Any Perl Problem, tend to have very broad appeal. More specialized nodes, such as the code golf node you mentioned, don't gather anywhere near as many votes in my experience.

      In terms of steadily gaining reputation over the years, I've noticed that most of my high reputation nodes hardly move after the first year; the only exceptions are "visually striking" obfus, such as Saturn and Spinning World, and nodes with very broad appeal, such as On Interviewing and Interview Questions.

      Update: Most nodes, even high reputation ones, are rarely seen after the first year. So the only nodes that steadily gain reputation, year after year, are those that are frequently cited -- for example, the XY Problem, often mentioned when someone wants to do X yet asks about Y instead.

Re: Selected best nodes - nothing recent, why?
by Anonymous Monk on Sep 12, 2011 at 14:43 UTC
Re: Selected best nodes - nothing recent, why?
by eyepopslikeamosquito (Canon) on Sep 12, 2011 at 20:58 UTC

    Using a combination of this old node and The Wayback Machine (entering http://www.perlmonks.org/?node=Best%20Nodes) I've updated my historical list of reputation range of best nodes of the month and best nodes of the year as shown below:

    • Mar 05 2007 Best nodes month: 83-135 votes, year: 121-194 votes
    • Dec 08 2007 Best nodes month: 71-132 votes, year: 115-238 votes

    • Apr 24 2008 Best nodes month: 77-111 votes, year: 111-156 votes
    • Sep 14 2008 Best nodes month: 59-90 votes, year: 105-180 votes

    • Feb 16 2009 Best nodes month: 58-85 votes, year: 91-152 votes
    • Apr 28 2009 Best nodes month: 58-134 votes, year: 89-163 votes
    • Jun 27 2009 Best nodes month: 63-86 votes, year: 87-141 votes

    • Feb 27 2010 Best nodes month: 49-85 votes, year: 86-152 votes
    • Apr 29 2010 Best nodes month: 49-105 votes, year: 81-131 votes
    • Aug 28 2010 Best nodes month: 46-67 votes, year: 69-135 votes
    • Dec 08 2010 Best nodes month: 42-94 votes, year: 72-144 votes

    • May 18 2011 Best nodes month: 44-52 votes, year: 68- 99 votes
    • Sep 12 2011 Best nodes month: 43-63 votes, year: 64-109 votes
    • Nov 12 2011 Best nodes month: 41-62 votes, year: 60-110 votes
    • Dec 08 2011 Best nodes month: 46-65 votes, year: 60-98 votes

    • Jan 01 2012 Best nodes month: 43-66 votes, year: 62-98 votes
    • Feb 01 2012 Best nodes month 37-51 votes, year: 60-79 votes
    • Mar 01 2012 Best nodes month 40-62 votes, year: 61-80 votes
    • Apr 01 2012 Best nodes month 39-52 votes, year: 59-82 votes
    • May 01 2012 Best nodes month 41-57 votes, year: 58-83 votes
    • Jun 01 2012 Best nodes month 38-68 votes, year: 59-85 votes
    • Jul 01 2012 Best nodes month 42-70 votes, year: 59-86 votes
    • Aug 01 2012 Best nodes month 39-47 votes, year: 59-86 votes
    • Sep 01 2012 Best nodes month 46-63 votes, year: 60-81 votes
    • Oct 01 2012 Best nodes month 40-67 votes, year: 61-82 votes
    • Nov 01 2012 Best nodes month 41-63 votes, year: 61-83 votes
    • Dec 01 2012 Best nodes month 47-64 votes, year: 58-84 votes
    • Dec 25 2012 Best nodes month 43-66 votes, year: 58-77 votes

    • Jan 01 2013 Best nodes month 41-58 votes, year: 58-77 votes
    • Jan 31 2013 Best nodes month 41-58 votes, year: 58-78 votes
    • Feb 01 2013 Best nodes month 39-49 votes, year: 58-78 votes
    • Mar 02 2013 Best nodes month 39-56 votes, year: 58-78 votes
    • Apr 01 2013 Best nodes month 35-62 votes, year: 59-79 votes
    • May 01 2013 Best nodes month 40-57 votes, year: 59-82 votes
    • Jun 01 2013 Best nodes month 40-57 votes, year: 58-78 votes
    • Jul 01 2013 Best nodes month 42-62 votes, year: 58-77 votes
    • Aug 02 2013 Best nodes month 38-49 votes, year: 58-78 votes
    • Sep 01 2013 Best nodes month 50-80 votes, year: 57-80 votes
    • Oct 01 2013 Best nodes month 42-66 votes, year: 57-81 votes
    • Nov 01 2013 Best nodes month 41-54 votes, year: 57-86 votes
    • Dec 01 2013 Best nodes month 40-64 votes, year: 58-87 votes
    • Dec 29 2013 Best nodes month 41-52 votes, year: 56-87 votes

    • Jan 01 2014 Best nodes month 43-52 votes, year: 56-87 votes
    • Feb 01 2014 Best nodes month 39-53 votes, year: 56-87 votes
    • Mar 01 2014 Best nodes month 44-66 votes, year: 58-88 votes
    • Apr 01 2014 Best nodes month 38-52 votes, year: 58-88 votes
    • May 01 2014 Best nodes month 40-53 votes, year: 57-89 votes
    • Jun 01 2014 Best nodes month 40-54 votes, year: 57-90 votes
    • Jul 05 2014 Best nodes month 40-57 votes, year: 56-90 votes
    • Aug 01 2014 Best nodes month 38-52 votes, year: 56-90 votes
    • Sep 01 2014 Best nodes month 41-61 votes, year: 54-79 votes
    • Oct 01 2014 Best nodes month 45-61 votes, year: 54-80 votes
    • Nov 01 2014 Best nodes month 40-48 votes, year: 54-81 votes

    Perhaps the most reliable indicator here is the lowest "best node" because the highest one often tends to be an "outlier" (that is, a freakishly popular node) while the lowest ones in the top 10 and top 20 lists tend to have similar values. The lowest best node has declined for the past four years, though the rate of decline appears to be slowing this year.

Reaped: Re: Selected best nodes - nothing recent, why?
by NodeReaper (Curate) on Sep 18, 2011 at 14:00 UTC

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