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Re^4: Moose - my new religion

by Anonymous Monk
on Nov 25, 2011 at 10:17 UTC ( #940018=note: print w/ replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to Re^3: Moose - my new religion
in thread Moose - my new religion

It's amazing to me, you actually believe that Larry, and all the other people working on Perl 6 are idiots living a dream, and that __YOU__ are right whilst they are wrong.

The syntactic sugar added to Perl5 decimates it's performance, whilst in Perl6 such things are basically built in from the ground up. When it's ready Perl6 will be able to do everything Perl5 can do, and will do it in a fraction of the time.

If you knew the first thing about why Larry decided to abandon Perl5 all those years ago, you would realise why it is that your talking crap.

I bet your the same idiot that decided you knew my system was crap before having looked at it. What's wrong? Can't stand the idea of change? Does change frighten you? Make you feel inadequet or worried that your going to have to learn about new things? Well don't worry you can just use Perl5 for as long as you need it, just don't upgrade your distro and you'll be fine... the rest of us however will be lapping up the Perl6 goodness and paying far less for our servers to do far more work.

Ps, I bet you were still using windows 3.11 in the year 2001... luddite.


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Re^5: Moose - my new religion
by Anonymous Monk on Nov 25, 2011 at 10:31 UTC

    No one has decades to wait for a programming language. Which no one has clue what it can do, Nothing related to Perl 6 at this time is even remotely close to ready. We are talking of smoke stuff. Building palaces in thin air, and then saying "ooh, look at this when this actually completes. It will make Buckingham palace look like a hut".

    If you can't provide a compelling replacement in time, some one else will. And no matter how beautiful your claim your tool to be, its still non existent. Or at least not usable. Perl 5 is usable and does the job *now*. And there are millions using Perl 5, are you saying they are fools for not chasing a day dream? Nopes, they just realize a little performance sacrifice is a lot better than waiting for something that isn't seeming to be ready even after more than a decade.

    Projects that generally take this long. Never reach their goal. They die a slow death.

      There are already a couple of working compilers for Perl6, granted they are not fully feature complete yet, but then Perl6 is being written for free by dozens if not hundreds of volunteers. It doesn't have a multi-billion dollar enterprise backing it up and paying top dollar for programmer talent and time.

      Your comments sound so ungrateful they verge on ridiculous.

      Also you make absolutist claims like "no one has a clue what it can do"... speak for yourself why don't you? There are plenty of people who do have plenty of clue as to what Perl6 is about and why Perl5 can never efficiently emulate Perl6, no matter how clever the people trying to make it do so are.

      No one is suggesting you wait for Perl6, Perl5 is right there ready for you to use right now, and when 6 is ready it will be included in whatever distros are out at that point. The Perl6 team are certainly not fools for giving their time engineering it. Eventually naysayers to Perl6 like you will look as foolish as the naysayers to my system have already been proven to be.

      This is not conjecture, this is solid fact. Perl5 has been a sturdy servant and will be for some time yet, but at the end of the day it's time is fast running out and it will have to go to make room for the new paradigm of Perl6.

        There are already a couple of working compilers for ‘Perl 6’...

        There are several incomplete implementations in development.

        ‘Perl 6’ is being written for free

        Ian Hague donated $200,000 to the Perl Foundation three and a half years ago. $100k went to funding Perl 6 development and $100k was nominally seed funding to attract other donations. Besides that, Vienna.pm has funded some Perl 6 development.

        ... by dozens if not hundreds of volunteers.

        You can probably count core contributors on both hands with fingers left over. Both Rakudo and Niezca have a bus number of about two.

        No one is suggesting you wait for ‘Perl 6’...

        I think a reasonable person might object to the categorization of any Perl 6 implementation being "usable" right now for anything more than a toy project. Almost 16 months after the first Rakudo Star release, I don't find Rakudo usable, and I have commit access to the full stack of the project, so if there's an early adopter archetype, I likely fit.


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