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poll ideas quest 2022
Starts at: Jan 01, 2022 at 00:00
Ends at: Dec 31, 2022 at 23:59
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Stackoverflow blog: Why Perl is still relevant in 2022
on Jul 07, 2022 at 11:28
2 replies by NetWallah
    Girish Venkatachalam has blogged "Why Perl is still relevant in 2022" on July 6, 2022.

    No new info there - it is interesting only because it purports to be positive for perl, is published on SO, and showed up on my Google news feed.

    The author seems to have somewhat dated knowledge of perl and no knowledge of raku.

                    "These opinions are my own, though for a small fee they be yours too."

Admins for RT
on Jul 05, 2022 at 15:02
1 reply by hippo

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Comparing time strings from a list of HH:MM:SS times
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by slugger415
on Aug 10, 2022 at 14:38

    Hello esteemed PerlMonks,

    I have a list of time strings in the HH:MM:SS format. I want to add each to a variable set with localtime and compare it to a timestamp later in the script. I'm having trouble understanding how to add that HH:MM:SS string to the localtime variable.

    #! /usr/bin/perl use Time::Piece; use strict; my(@times) = ("00:05:21","00:08:05","00:10:33"); my $startTime = localtime(); print "Start: ", $startTime, $/; foreach my $t (@times) { sleep 2; my $newTime = localtime(); my $ss = $startTime + $t; ### this is where I need advice if($ss > $newTime){ print "\$ss is greater.\n"; ### execute some functions here } print "Newtime: ", $newTime, $/; my $diff = $newTime - $startTime; print $diff, $/;

    The $diff part works but not the addition of $t, how do I add that time to it? Obviously I need to convert it to something Time::Piece understands.

    Thank you.

WWW::Mechanize and SSL
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by Jonathan
on Aug 10, 2022 at 09:09

    Firstly, apologies as this is more a SSL issue than just Perl. I have an HTTPS url that I want to pull some data from (the url is another server on our local network). The url works fine with Chrome, MS Edge etc but I'm getting a certificate error running my test script from a dev server (Ubuntu). Also wget also fails with certificate errors.

    #!/usr/bin/perl use strict; use warnings; use WWW::Mechanize; use Net::SSLeay; my $m = WWW::Mechanize->new( autocheck => 1 ); print "LWP: $LWP::UserAgent::VERSION\n"; print "Mech: $WWW::Mechanize::VERSION\n"; print "Net::SSLeay $Net::SSLeay::VERSION\n"; my $url = $ARGV[0]; $m->get($url); print $m->content();
    Which outputs;
    $ ./ LWP: 6.43 Mech: 1.96 Net::SSLeay 1.88 Error GETing https://xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx: Can't conn +ect to xxxxxxxxxxx:443 (certificate verify failed) at ./ lin +e 15. $
    I suspect there is something available on the companies servers that satisfies browsers but isn't available elsewhere. Anyone seen this before and have any idea what I need to do? Thanks
Allowing regex entries in web form to search database: Risks or gotchas?
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by Polyglot
on Aug 08, 2022 at 13:10

    I have a research-oriented database, online, accessible via my own web interface and open to public use. The application is set up to allow read-only access to the database, the CGI script is hosted on a linux server, and the script is definitely not set as setuid. I am not allowing any use of nested executable code inside the regex, via the following sort of rules during the parsing of the query:

    return "ERROR: For security and bandwidth reasons, query may not conta +in pure wildcards." if $SR_query =~ m/^[( ]*\.\s*(?:(?:\{\s*\d+\s*,?\ +s*\d*\s*})?|[*+?]*)[) ]*$/; return "ERROR: Regex containing code disallowed." if $SR_query =~ m[\( +\?\??\{];

    Beyond these fundamental/basic protections against potential malicious actors, is there anything I might be blindly walking into by unleashing this capability in my website?

    I have had to run a rather complicated subroutine on the query itself to prevent taint from objecting to it--even though the code is never "executed" other than being inserted into a m// to run against text drawn from the database prior to formatting the results for return to the browser. But this is a small price to pay for the very useful functionality of having regex-capable searches on the database.



Strawberry Perl can't find a module installed at a non-standard location
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by LittleJack
on Aug 07, 2022 at 20:04

    I need to test what happens when a module is installed at a non-standard location.

    So I installed HTML::Template using:

    cpanm -l "C:/Users/Me/SecretModules" HTML::Template

    And installation was successful.

    When I go to use it (from Eclipse), like this:

    Package::DummyModule; use lib 'C:/Users/Me/SecretModules/lib/perl5'; use Text::HTML;

    It says that it can't find the module:

    Can't locate Text/ in @INC (you may need to install the Text::H +TML module) (@INC contains: C:/Users/Me/SecretModules/lib/perl5/MSWin +32-x64-multi-thread [etc]

    So I'm confused. The module is installed at C:/Users/Me/SecretModules/lib/perl5 and there's a packlist file in C:/Users/Me/SecretModules/lib/perl5/MSWin32-x64-multi-thread/auto but why can't Strawberry Perl find the module? Why does it automatically append the multi-thread directory? Can I install in such a way that it's non-multi-thread compatible?


Why does eof have a prototype?
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by LanX
on Aug 07, 2022 at 12:57

    I'm trying to parse the usage infos in the pod of perlfunc to create code snippets, and am getting surprised by idiosyncrasies.

    For instance is eof magic when called with empty brackets eof()

    but has a prototype

    $ perl print prototype 'CORE::eof',"\n" __END__ ;* $

    See also perlsub

    > Note however that some built-ins can't have their syntax expressed by a prototype (such as system or chomp). If you override them you won't be able to fully mimic their original syntax.

    Cheers Rolf
    (addicted to the Perl Programming Language :)
    Wikisyntax for the Monastery

Immediately writing the results of search-and-replace
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by Anonymous Monk
on Aug 05, 2022 at 13:56
    Most gracious monks: I am a Perl novice working on a script that takes a CSV file as input, uses the first element of each row as a string to search on, and the second element of each row as the replacement string. In the event that one search term appears in multiple rows, these are merged together so that the second element becomes an array of replacement candidates, reduced down to unique items. In either case, the user is prompted to adjudicate the replacement (either yes/no for a single replacement candidate, or a numeric input for multiple). I have the core functionality working, but some problems crop up when doing replacements on search strings for which other search strings are substrings.

    For example, if my script finds that a file contains the search string 'IP whitelist' on a given line, even if I confirm that I want to replace this with 'IP access list', it will then prompt me to replace just 'whitelist' with one of its various candidates. What I would expect to happen in that case is that the replacement of 'IP whitelist' with 'IP access list' happens before the search for the 'whitelist' key is initiated, preventing it from finding a match there. Doing some digging, it seemed that setting up autoflushing would solve my problem, but either I've misunderstood and that is not a solution to the situation, or I have implemented it incorrectly. Here is the subroutine that performs the actual search-and-replace:
    sub search_and_replace { open my $target_file, "<", $_; $| = 1; my $filename = $_; while (my $target_string = <$target_file>) { for my $row (@table) { my $search = $row->[0]; my $replacement = $row->[1]; if ((lc $target_string) =~ (lc $search)) { print "Found $search in $filename in the following context +:\n"; print "$target_string\n"; if (ref($replacement) eq 'ARRAY' && length $replacement > +1) { print "Choose a replacement candidate by typing the appr +opriate number, or else type '0' to skip.\n"; my $count = 1; for my $value (@$replacement) { print "$count\) $value\n"; $count++; } my $choice = <STDIN>; if ($choice >= 1 && $choice <= (length $replacement)) { my $replace_choice = $replacement->[$choice]; edit_file { s/$search/$replace_choice/gi} $filename; } else { print "Skipping this occurrence without replacing.\n"; } } else { print "Confirm replacement with $replacement by typing y +, or skip by typing any other key.\n"; my $choice = <STDIN>; if ($choice eq 'y' || 'Y') { edit_file { s/$search/$replacement/gi } $filename; } else { print "Skipping this occurrence without replacing.\n"; } } } } } close $target_file; }
    1) I was under the impression that autoflushing on the currently open filehandle can be set using the $| variable, but if that's the case, why doesn't this have any affect?
    2) Is refactoring this subroutine so that it loops over the rows of the tables first, and then over each file in the inner loop a better solution? It seems like a lot more IO to be opening and closing every file over and over for each term, but I'm not a real programmer by any stretch, so I could be way off the mark here.
    3) I also tried putting the line $target_file->flush; as the last line of each of the replacement 'if' statements, and that did nothing either.

    Please let me know if there is any additional info I can provide that would help. Thank you very much.
XS Error: Segfault with B::HooksAtRuntime
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by Ovid
on Aug 05, 2022 at 06:01

    My module, MooseX::Extended is quickly becoming popular and is now being used in production at some companies. However, one person is reporting intermittent segfaults. This appears to be related to my using B::Hooks::AtRuntime to avoid the need to add __PACKAGE__->meta->>make_immutable; to the end of every Moose module. There's not much XS code involved, but my XS knowledge is even worse than my C.

    Paul "LeoNerd" Evans commented on IRC:

    14:18 LeoNerd: #0 Perl_SvREFCNT_dec_NN (sv=0xa65636e6174736e, my_perl=0x55921df002a0) at inline.h:242 <== that looks very much like a bad sv address
    14:20 LeoNerd: Not terribly clear where that comes from.. the next context frame is popeval, which suggests stack unwind. Possibly at this point some accessing of bad memory
    14:20 LeoNerd: valgrind might help.

    Can anyone with XS knowledge help me? As far as I can tell, the code is still solid for prod. I'm wondering if this has something to do with the effectively random order of global destruction because this is just being triggered by a compilation test. (That's just speculation and could be a red herring).

    Note: If anyone else experiences this, the workaround is to simply exclude the automatic immutable behavior and add it manually to your M ooseX::Extended classes.

Reading Perl documentation in Emacs
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by haj
on Aug 08, 2022 at 13:53

    These days I came round to package an Emacs command which I am using since some time now: <M-x> perl-doc. It is a viewer for POD in Emacs, and it has been accepted in GNU ELPA, so it can be installed with <M-x> package-install.

    But why? There are already plenty of ways to read POD. They work (sort of), but I was not totally happy with any of them:
    • The perldoc command in a shell is nice. It knows what I've installed in my Perl, and I can add own projects to its search path by adding to PERL5LIB. It is not so useful with documents like the Moose::Manual which contain many cross-references.
    • Pod::Webserver is a nice way to get the same information in your browser. But it needs you to run two extra programs and does not provide an equivalent of perldoc -f split.
    • Pod::Perldoc::ToTk is supposed to display POD in a GUI, but the command in the synopsis perldoc -o tk Some::Modulename & fails with Undefined subroutine &Pod::Perldoc::ToTk::MainLoop called. I have Tk::Pod and Pod::Perldoc installed and don't want to chase that error.
    • Emacs has <M-x>cperl-perldoc which per default tries to get information for the thing where your cursor is, and displays the document in another window. But internally it uses man which isn't available on Windows, and until now I was too lazy to install any of the replacements (man for Windows, or woman.el. Also, it needs man pages installed, so I need to build those when I want to read documentation from sources I'm working on.
    • Emacs::PodMode (available via CPAN, not ELPA) is targeted for writing POD, it shows all the markup.
    • The Perl menu in CPerl mode still refers to Perl documentation in info format, which is no longer shipped with Perl and never was available for CPAN modules. Eventually these items should be deleted from the menu.
    • Edited to add (2022-08-09): In the meantime I found perl-pod-preview.el which also provides a man formatted view of POD. I like the fact that it works on (unsaved) buffers and might add a similar feature to perl-doc.el.

    So, trying to combine the good parts, <M-x>perl-doc defaults to the thing where the cursor is, respects PERL5LIB to find your POD (also accepts file names), does not need extra programs and has a decent formatting which allows to follow links between your documents.

How has your coding style changed over the years?
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by stevieb
on Aug 06, 2022 at 21:42

    Since I started coding C and C++ in 2000, and Perl very shortly afterwards, my style hasn't fundamentally changed. If anything, I've simply become more pedantic about certain things. I'm bored so I thought I'd put a list together off the top of my head. What's your list look like?

    - Four space tabs!

    - I like no space between function parens:

    function($param1, \%param2);

    - I'm very much a K&R style person who likes 'else' type statements on their own line:

    sub function { if ($_[0] == 1) { do_something(); } else { do_something_else(); } }

    - When dereferencing a list, I always use whitespace:

    my @list = keys %{ $href->{thing} };

    - I always use the deref indicator where it is needed:

    my $thing = $hash{one}->{two}; my $other = $href->{one};

    - In my personal Perl code (60+ CPAN distributions), I always put the POD at the bottom of the file after all code (at $work, it's inline):

    package Blah; ... 1; =head1 NAME Blah - The thing with the guy and the place ...

    - I *ALWAYS* write unit tests before or at least during writing each function/method. I use the test scripts as test runs to prototype the code I'm writing instead of having a separate script. The test scripts are inherently part of the test suite. I also *ALWAYS* review my unit test suite for each piece of functionality and update it if necessary if patching/updating subs days, weeks or years later.

    - I (almost) *ALWAYS* write POD documentation as I'm writing the code (rarely before, but sometimes I do that too).

    - I frequently peruse the documentation of a random publication of my own software (regardless of language), and make fixes or produce relevant updates I may have missed.

    - I use the same editor all the time (vi/Vim) when I don't have my IDE handy, intelliJ IDEA (with vim support, of course). (VSCode for some of my work projects).

    - I rarely have to use the perl debugger, because I almost always find base issue cause through Data::Dumper statements. If I do use a debugger, it's more often for C code than it is for Perl code.

    - One of my favourite topics for new development is writing code to help other developers (including me). Introspection and unit test software is a big thing for me.

    - I love PPI, and am fluent enough with it that I rarely need to refer to the documentation when I want to use some of its functionality.

    - For my Perl code, I strive with great effort to achieve 95%+ unit test coverage, and that coverage generally covers that 95% 16 ways from Sunday. I often write additional code just so that tests can test code it just cant cover. This includes special constants, env vars etc. Some of my software has complete routines as add-ons just to get a single statement covered that otherwise couldn't have been.

    - I use Continuous Integration testing (CI) for almost everything. Mostly Github Actions (formerly Travis CI until they pissed me off tremendously), but some of my code can't run there, so I use my own Test::BrewBuild for such software.

    - I used to, but not so much anymore, review CPAN latest releases to try to find bugs to fix, even if its just documentation.

    - I am very specific about honouring other artist's copyright information. To further, I regard and honour the license of projects I've taken over from other authors. I'm a published author, poet, lyricist and music producer so the copyright thing in ingrained and imprinted. Appreciating other's art ownership isn't a desire to me, it's a core instinct.

    - I am diligent in acknowledging contributors to my software. My Changes files and commits generally have the persons name and/or CVS username embedded.

    - I take criticism very well; that said, I *ALWAYS* give credit where it is due, and *NEVER* claim credit for things I did not myself do

    - I take bug/issue/feature requests very seriously, and do my utmost to respond in as timely a manner as I humanly can (sometimes I don't, but that's very rare).

    - I use a bug tracker for almost everything I find myself; new features, real life bugs, security issues or even POD typos. If I'm perusing a random distribution of my own and I see a typo in the SYNOPSIS, I create a ticket for it.

    - I never use shift in an OOP module, I always use my ($self, ...) = @_;

    - I *ALWAYS* do parameter validation in each and every function/method.

    - I use pure perl OOP; very, very rarely do I ever use any of the helpers. The only time that happens is if I'm requiring a distribution that has that required already.

    - My POD format for subs is typically:

    =head2 method($param) Contemplates the reason for life, using common sense as a modifier. my $explanation = My::Continuity->new; my $thing = 'Reason for living'; my $reasoning = $explanation->method($thing); I<Parameters>: $param I<Mandatory, String>: The explanation of the formation of humanity in +a single string. I<Return>: Hash reference, where each key is a continent, and its valu +e is a colour. C<croak>s on failure.

    - I very sparsely use comments. Almost always my comments within code refer to *why* something is happening. It very rarely (if ever anymore) refer to 'what' is happening. The code says what is happening. Said comments when I make them are generally one to two lines only, and I use them only when I, myself will need to be reminded why in the fsck I did something so bizarre.

    I'm sure I can add a hundred other particulars I've formed over the years, but that's a start. How about you?

    Edit: Oh dear, I completely forgot. If it isn't blaringly obvious, Perl is my language of choice. Always has been, and I'm sure always will be. I'm decently fluent in C, C++, C#, wrote code in Python for four years as part of a job, can dabble my way through Javascript/JS, but I always lean back to Perl. Need an API for something (eg. Raspberry Pi)?, I'm making it available in Perl! New unofficial API for a new toy (eg. Tesla)? I'm ensuring it can be accessed with Perl! My priorities in life: My health, contentedness and happiness, my sobriety, my wife and children, Perl, everything else :)

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