More suggestions to Consider
by footpad (Abbot) on Jan 19, 2001 at 00:50 UTC
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Let me start by seconding kudra's suggestions.
Here are a few more ideas:
It would be nice to see who fingered the node for consideration. An example might be: Footpad considered this node and says <Reason>.
When no reason is given, it might say, Footpad considered this node for reasons that might be obvious (if you're feeling humorous that day) or Footpad considered this node without comment (if you're not).
That might help stimulate some (privately /msg'd) discussion about the node in question, as well as indicate who is editorializing. (Personally, I would find that helpful if one of my nodes gets "considered" so I can follow-up and make appropriate updates.)
It might also be use to be able to add additional comments. For example, this haiku was placed into consideration because it was posted to the wrong place. Later, someone moved it. The additional comment would let everyone know that the request had been handled. It might say like, "Footpad adds: It's been moved."
This would also help our illustrious leader know when he can free the node from consideration.
Also, it appears that one's choices in the radio buttons aren't sticky. For example, if I pick Delete for a node and check the next day, the radio button defaults to Nada.
(I presume that any additional choices are ignored, much the same way that additional votes from the same IP by the same login are ignored. Is this correct?)
Once you've "voted" (e.g. submitted anything other than Nada) for a node under consideration, would it be helpful to display a tally of the votes received to date, much the same way we see Reputation after we've voted for "regular" nodes?
This would help us see how other monks responded.
Update: I agree with kudra; the first two ideas are meant as enhancements to the messages that appear only in the Consideration area.
All in all, though, I like the feature. Good work.
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I like the last three suggestions. I can see the second
idea being useful in other ways, too. For example,
recently there was one with a reason something like
'this is vague and pointless' and I wanted to add that
in addition, it was a duplicate of an earlier node.
I'm not sure about the first one, since it seems like
a possible opportunity for the same kind of conflicts
that have been brought up with voting. I am assuming
that vroom, at least, knows who has made the request,
so there is the possibility to sort things in case of
abuses. On the other hand, I'm willing to stand by
all the suggestions I make to nodes to consider. Maybe
if the suggestion I made earlier were implemented, it
would be good to have the name shown only on the nodes
to consider page, and not on any of the other pages.
Kudra, who's thinking all this should maybe have been a
new thread.
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In a similar vein, it may be useful to display who approved a node to whatever section it is in.
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Re: Nodes to consider changes
by turnstep (Parson) on Jan 11, 2001 at 03:01 UTC
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I agree, the 5:2 ratio (and the "automatic" part) has
me a little worried as well. About how many people have
this power right now? If only 4 people regularly consider
nodes, or if 100 do....
(Maybe bad nodes can be automatically moved to a
trash can (i.e. mark it as "off-limits") until an
actual person can review it?)
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Right now nuked nodes are placed into tomb table so if anything horrible happens and there is a request for the node to return it can be resurrected if that's any consolation.
vroom | Tim Vroom | vroom@cs.hope.edu
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(kudra: additional suggestions) Re: Nodes to consider changes
by kudra (Vicar) on Jan 15, 2001 at 21:30 UTC
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I have a few suggestions for additional changes to
nodes to consider.
It might be nice to give some indication when a node
is under consideration--indication that is visible to
all levels of users, not just those who have the ability
to add items for consideration. What I have in mind
is a small indication on the newest nodes page, as
well as a message when viewing the node. The message
would indicate that the node was under consideration
(specifying whatever reason was given by whomever marked
it for consideration) and that you are encouraged not
to respond to the post unless you disagree with the
assessment. On the newest nodes page, this would help
people decide which of 3 identical posts to read. On
the node itself, it might help to keep replies under one
post in the case of multi-posting. It could also be
used to advise people not to respond to obvious trolls.
(Update: an example a node that I think
could have benefitted from this is this troll,
which can't be automatically deleted due to comments
recognizing it as a troll.)
I would like to see the consideration nodelet available
to users of all levels for their own posts. That way,
if someone accidently multi-posted, it would be possible
for the node to be automatically deleted. Putting your
own node up for consideration should perhaps already
give it one delete vote (especially in cases where the
user isn't able to view the nodes to consider page and
vote on it).
I guess I see potential deletion and editing type
requests as two different things. I might actually like
to see 'edit' consideration requests go to editor
requests as opposed to the nodes to consider section.
Because deletion can be automated and editing really
can't be, this division would make more sense to me
than the current division based upon who requests it.
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Re: Nodes to consider changes
by Corion (Patriarch) on Jan 11, 2001 at 02:14 UTC
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The only thing that I wonder over is the arbitrary limit on the number of "keep votes". I would rather err on the side of keeping too many bad nodes and never automatically delete any node that a "keep vote" was cast for.
But on the other side, I think that it will take long enough for a node to gather 5 "delete votes" that 2 "keep votes" will also come in, if the node is controversial enough to warrant keeping.
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Re: Nodes to consider changes
by extremely (Priest) on Jan 11, 2001 at 20:10 UTC
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A single person can already prevent a message from deleted,
they can post a response. The only posts that are going to
be autodeleted will be duplicates, so long as people all
keep their comments to one post. This is a more-than reasonable
scheme vroom proposes. =)
Hmm. This was supposed to be a reply to Corion. Doh!
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Re: Nodes to consider changes
by lemming (Priest) on Jan 17, 2001 at 21:01 UTC
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Since it's now been in operation for a few days:
When nodes are deleted they have this (or similar) displayed:
Server Error (Error Id 1811804)!
An error has occured. Please contact the site administrator
with the Error Id. Thank you. Reason: Need I explain?
Not a critical bug, but it looks annoying. I'm betting it
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Another thing which seems somewhat 'broken' is when there
are replies to a deleted node and you want to access the
thread. Just so that it can be made easier to view all
the replies at once (which is the reason I customarily
go to the root node), it might be nice for the node to
still exist, but just be devoid of content.
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Re: Nodes to consider changes
by runrig (Abbot) on May 24, 2001 at 06:48 UTC
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I find it annoying when I hit the submit button on, say, the
second page of results (15-30) and then I am returned to the
first page of results (1-15), and I have to hit 'Next' 3 times
to get to the third page. And it gets even worse on subsequent
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I know that people are reluctant to use their browser's
"Back" button on this site as some such uses can make
things like repeated chatter more likely. However, here
is another case where it is quite useful.
Simply use Submit, Back, Next.
Also, you can go up to the "Address" field and fill in any
numbers you like to skip to whatever part of the listing
without using any Next/Prev buttons.
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tye
(but my friends call me "Tye")
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Re: Nodes to consider changes
by Vynce (Friar) on Jun 14, 2001 at 19:46 UTC
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i'm not clear on how to add a particular node for consideration in some cases. Specifically, the node pdf (by the ever-wise and all-knowing Anonymous Monk) seems to be blank and just prevent an otherwise useful search in the search box. But when i go it, i don't have my approval nodelet. is there a way to manually specify what node i want to consider?
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