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by ProgrammerJutsu
on Jan 10, 2013 at 20:45 UTC ( #1012740=monkdiscuss: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??

To know if this is a wast of time...
Has anyone benefitted from using this web site?
If so, please share your experience
If not, please share your experience also...

So in general this site is good for making people think, but it doesn't help people develop code because people are morons?
Just trying to be clear

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by BrowserUk (Pope) on Jan 10, 2013 at 22:20 UTC

    12 years and million posts. Nah! Nobody's learning a thing. The whole site is just a flash in the pan.

    With the rise and rise of 'Social' network sites: 'Computers are making people easier to use everyday'
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by Old_Gray_Bear (Bishop) on Jan 10, 2013 at 23:26 UTC
    Let's see, you have been registered since 1/7/13. Today is 1/10. And you want to know if this site is 'a wast (sic) of time...'.

    I've been a Monk a trifle longer than you have. So, when I say that the Monastery is well worth reading every day, I have a bit more perspective than you. Almost 4,000 days more.

    I read the SOPW during the first two cups of coffee before I go into the office. (Well, technically I am already in the office, since I work out of my home. I just haven't started working on the code for the current Paying Gig. My time between 0900 and 1630 is billable to a contract; the time before or after is mine.) I think the Perl Monks is worth spending an hour or so a day upon. Your mileage|kilometerage May Vary.

    I Go Back to Sleep, Now.


by Anonymous Monk on Jan 10, 2013 at 23:50 UTC

    Yes, people have benefited. You will not. You prefer to try to get people to do your work for you while refusing to actually learn Perl, and refusing to show us the courtesy of following posting guidelines. At the same time you post buggy code that shows no debugging effort, and that fails to take advantage of the simplest tools that Perl provides to encourage less bug-prone programming practices (use strict; use warnings;). And you follow it all up by hurling insults, calling people here morons, and posting arrogant nodes such as the one at the top of this thread.

    So for you, no, this site will be of practically no benefit. You don't need PerlMonks; you do not have the social, and emotional skills to derive any benefit from PerlMonks. And you have not equipped yourself with the maturity necessary to learn this sort of topic in this type of setting. You would be better off not wasting your time here.

    You do not "seek the wisdom", you seek someone to bail you out of the situation of failure you find yourself in at work now that you've discovered that in the real world there's nobody sitting next to you in the classroom whom you can badger into letting you cheat to pass the course.

    When you're ready to turn that attitude of yours around, then come back and enjoy the benefits.

    I looked at the code you're working on, and how it's failed to progress favorably despite the help people have tried to provide. Yes, your time is wasted here. Does that answer your question?

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by space_monk (Chaplain) on Jan 11, 2013 at 11:44 UTC

    Monks are generally polite; slinging words like morons around is inflammatory and liable to result in monkly kung-fu. It seems you have been on here 3 days and are throwing insults around, which is not the way to get the help you claim to need.

    I've had more than one of my comments taken apart as ridiculous in here, but the correct response is to learn from your mistakes, not to shout back.

    A Monk aims to give answers to those who have none, and to learn from those who know more.


      Honestly, those that need help [ tell me, who doesn't ] must put on the "toga" of humility, the "hat" of openness and fasten on their feet the "shoe", which sole does not wear out (or off) following others or orders!!!

      If you tell me, I'll forget.
      If you show me, I'll remember.
      if you involve me, I'll understand.
      --- Author unknown to me
by pvaldes (Chaplain) on Jan 10, 2013 at 23:01 UTC
    Since I apply a little of perlmonks in my head each night, my hair has regrown again, and now I can show a manly moustache!
by talexb (Canon) on Jan 11, 2013 at 16:10 UTC

    Well, I've been here eleven years, and I think it's helped me considerably. I have stayed up to date on Perl and technology that relates to it, learned a great deal, and even helped a few people along the way.

    I'm a little puzzled as to how you think this site might be a 'wast' (sic) of time after being here less than three weeks.

    If you're serious about learning Perl, read a lot, try a few things on your own, read the documentation, read some articles, participate in the Chatterbox, maybe IRC, attend a local Perlmongers meeting, and see how you get along with the language and the community. It might really work for you (it did for me), or it might not be a good fit. It's your time, and only you can make up your own mind on Perl.

    Alex / talexb / Toronto

    "Groklaw is the open-source mentality applied to legal research" ~ Linus Torvalds

      I appreciate you sharing your experience

      Unlike everyone else
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by karlgoethebier (Monsignor) on Jan 12, 2013 at 16:49 UTC
    "Has anyone benefitted from using this web site?"

    Yes, me - definitely.

    I'm here since 11/2/12, so i'm still a newbie at the monastery but i'm not new to perl. Please see karlgoethebier for details.

    I think there are some approved methods for learning anything:

    1. Read a book (aka RTFM in this case)
    2. Study the work of other people (aka "read their code" in this case)
    3. Ask if you don't understand (fits at any case)
    4. Talk with others about your/their work (aka discourse)

    The monastery matches each of these items. You have tutorials, you can read other peoples code and ask and discuss about it.

    This is the way i do it:

    At work, after reading my mails a.s.o, i take a short look at the monastery.

    I trie to understand some of the new questions/answers. Fast at first, i think this a very good exercise.

    If i have some time leftover, i take a deeper look at the issues, perhaps after work.

    If i know any solution, i share it.

    Sometimes i ask a question. This is always enlightening to me, no matter how awkward or cool my questions are.

    So i'm getting better, day by day - in little steps. Quite simple.

    And that's why this site is great.

    Update: I forgot to mention that i'm having fun at the monastery...

    Best regards, Karl

    «The Crux of the Biscuit is the Apostrophe»

by Kenosis (Priest) on Jan 10, 2013 at 20:51 UTC

    Stroll trough the nodes, as they tell the story you seek...

by johngg (Canon) on Jan 11, 2013 at 14:05 UTC

    I'm just wondering what delusional impression you were trying to convey when you chose ProgrammerJutsu as a name. As for sharing experience, acting like a spoilt child that doesn't get the toy it wants will not get you far in life!



      I'm just wondering what delusional impression you were trying to convey when you chose ProgrammerJutsu as a name. As for sharing experience, acting like a spoilt child that doesn't get the toy it wants will not get you far in life!

      Indeed. Poor attitude such as this does not go over well in "jutsu" classes, its the kind that gets you expelled or worse

by webfiend (Vicar) on Jan 11, 2013 at 20:39 UTC

    This site has been useful to me both in the immediately pragmatic aspect of finding a technical answer, and in the broader philosophical aspect of programming style and self-sufficiency.

    Self-sufficiency? Well, yeah. I don't post often, because I usually find the answer to my question by searching through the site's history. There is nearly always a question that is only slightly different from the one bothering me, and that question has already been answered thoroughly by many Monks. So rather than asking my question, I use the existing answers.

    Some folks have truly unique questions. I am not one of those folks.

by nagalenoj (Friar) on Jan 11, 2013 at 12:59 UTC


    Among the 2 positive votes for your node, mine is one!! So, am polite and good to you.. :) :)

    Ok. Fun apart. Every monk here are spending time either to help others or themselves. There is no point in being moron or treating someone bad. No one likes to do such things, when they've lot of works to do for themselves.. :) May be your expectations are different. Just go through some basic nodes, before posting into forum. It helps you know about, what is expected and what is available here.

    You'll enjoy being here, as it helps you grow!

    Please read these before you post! —
by Argel (Prior) on Jan 17, 2013 at 01:07 UTC
    The Monastery is what you make of it and what you get out of it depends heavily on that. Think of an Eastern style ascetic monk seeking enlightenment, and you will do better. Along those lines, consider that the Monks you encounter here are volunteering their time and expertise and then meditate on whether your actions have shown them respect or disregard and entitlement. Node 1012771 comes to mind.

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by Anonymous Monk on Jan 11, 2013 at 02:59 UTC
    well there is this other site. The guys from IBM like it. They really like it! aXML rocks !!!! LOL!

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