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Re^2: A "Perl-7" that I could actually USE right now

by Ralesk (Pilgrim)
on Jun 26, 2013 at 12:12 UTC ( #1040766=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??

in reply to Re: A "Perl-7" that I could actually USE right now
in thread A "Perl-7" that I could actually USE right now

Moe is interesting, but in a recent interview I saw, it wouldn’t become “Perl that is less messy than Perl”, although that had been my first impression when it was first announced.

It would indeed be a really interesting experiment to create something that’s compatible with most non-abusive uses of p5, but is better defined and cleaner on the inside.

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Re^3: A "Perl-7" that I could actually USE right now
by raiph (Deacon) on Jun 28, 2013 at 22:42 UTC

      I’m afraid that anything that’s part of p6 doesn’t fall under the “I could actually USE right now” category :)

        Sept 2014 update:

        • v5 reached around 8,000 passing tests at the start of 2014 as an NQP project that needed a custom Rakudo and didn't have proper access to CPAN. FROGGS has since turned it in to a full P6 project which means v5 can now: use Rakudo's module infrastructure, and hence access CPAN with full P6 module management power; be installed via Panda; be hacked more easily.

        • There's an approach that's an alternative/complement to v5, namely embedding libperl (see the paragraph starting "Mixing P6 and Perl 5 with XS"). The specific proposal linked in that comment hasn't yet happened but nine's new Inline::Perl5 (which takes advantage of NativeCall work done this year by FROGGS) seems to be a better approach in the near term anyway.

        (Rewritten to be more useful for folk reading this comment out of its original context.)

        use v5 is a new (started April 2013) project aiming to build a P5 reimplementation.

        It builds on Rakudo/NQP, a new open source compiler/ast/vm toolchain used to implement Perl 6.

        Apart from writing "use v5;" at the top of files, using v5 doesn't require that you write or read any Perl 6 code. You just write Perl 5 code and run it. Results will of course depend on how far the project has progressed.

        v5's current goal is to pass as much of the non-XS parts of the p5p perl 5 test suite as possible. It will likely take years to achieve substantial coverage, assuming it one day does. At the time of writing this comment it's passing 1,000 or so of the 40,000 or so tests in the suite. See STATUS for the current passcount.

        The host compiler toolchain includes a backend which is slated to embed libperl and support use of existing XS modules. It's not clear to what degree, if any, v5 can or will be able to make use of this to extend its utility to cover scenarios involving use of XS modules.

        The v5 project builds on parsing features (grammars) and a parser (STD) designed by Larry Wall.

        For more info watch this 20 minute video or view the v5 github repo or the use v5 blog or visit the IRC channel #perl6 on freenode.

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