Curses-based applications?

sedusedan has asked for the wisdom of the Perl Monks concerning the following question:

I'm trying to write a curses-based application to run under Linux. Can anyone suggest more curses-based Perl applications aside from the ones I found on CPAN and listed below? Seems like there are not too many of these, which is quite disappointing.

App::Syndicator - A simple RSS fetcher and reader. So far the only rather usable app I can actually use.
App::PassManager - A password keeper. The concept is simple and the app could be rather useful, but it has minor UI bugs like off-by-one errors when displaying items, or visual update bugs that turned me off.
Config::Model::CursesUI] - Didn't try this one out because the Synopsis doesn't give a sample I can just copy-paste and run.
Stackato::Stackrad - ran this and looked around, the app uses a notebook/tab interface and looks quite nice. Didn't try further because I don't use Stackato.
Socialtext::Wikrad - server doesn't seem to accept my user/pass.
CPANPLUS::Shell::Curses - Unmaintained, no longer runs due to a non-existing module.

All of the above use Curses::UI, the most popular module used to build curses-based application. The other one, Curses::Toolkit, is newer and claims to be the modern alternative but is still in beta and doesn't have as many examples/documentation/widgets. Yet another one, Cdk (Curses-Devkit) while still on CPAN/Debian is long dead, fails on CPANTesters, and no other CPAN modules are using it.

In fact the whole situation with curses and Perl doesn't look too convincing. Lots of things don't seem to work or are buggy. Curses::UI::Grid's demo shows UI defects and spew substr() warnings. In the Curses::UI demo for multilanguage languages like Chinese don't work (my terminal & environment does support Chinese). The colors look atrocious. The demos for Curses::Toolkit look worse: Shift-Tab doesn't work, scroll area cannot be scrolled with keyboard, response to mouse clicks is slow (actually even typing into an input box feels very sluggish).

Should I just give up and look elsewhere for curses? Python seems to be used a lot by RedHat and Debian for this kind of tasks. I'm still trying to use Perl though. Perl is usually great at solving my problems, but for this I feel like I'm thrown *far before* the DOS/Turbo Pascal/Turbo Vision days. Why are we so backwards when it comes to TUI?

Update 2013-11-06: Someone mentioned Tickit on my blog, I actually bookmarked that module a few months ago but forgot about it. It does not use the curses library and looks quite promising. The code is quite clean and simple and modern, the author is active/maintaining, and it looks like it has quite a lot of features (multiple/overlapping windows, lots of widgets). But there is no application on CPAN using it yet.

Also someone reminded me about Inline::Python where you can in theory use many Python modules through Perl. I haven't explored this route further.

As I said also on the comment, dialog(1) is another simple alternative. Its form support is rather limited though.

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Re: Curses-based applications? by vkon (Curate) on Nov 02, 2024 at 18:20 UTC
speaking on Turbo Vision, there is an excellent revitalization effort and port throuughout all the main platforms https://github.com/magiblot/tvision I built it and was really amazed to see it running really cool directly and throughout ssh. I am going to implement perl bindings to it.	[reply]
Re^2: Curses-based applications? by choroba (Cardinal) on Nov 02, 2024 at 19:33 UTC
That's a fantastic project! Good luck with your effort, too. `map{substr$_->[0],$_->[1]\|\|0,1}[\\|\|{},3],[[]],[ref qr-1,-,-1],[{}],[sub{}^ARGV,3]`	[reply] [d/l]
Re^2: Curses-based applications? by etj (Priest) on Nov 04, 2024 at 09:15 UTC
Good luck from me also! If you felt like it, I'd be very open to a pull request switching PDL::IO::Browser (a Curses interface in C/PDL::PP for looking at n-dimensional arrays) to a Perl Curses module.	[reply]
Re^2: Curses-based applications? by oodler (Sexton) on Nov 05, 2024 at 08:34 UTC
Very cool, please let us know if you do!	[reply]
Re^3: Curses-based applications? by vkon (Curate) on Jan 01, 2025 at 19:34 UTC
very preliminary version is at https://github.com/vadrer/perl-tvision, far from CPAN-ready, and XS file have some edits in the middle, which makes it non-functional right now some screenshot is at https://github.com/vadrer/perl-tvision/blob/main/demo/photo_2025-01-01_22-28-11.jpg Fortunately will make it to CPAN release in a month or two. However this is starting point and discussions are welcome on that project page	[reply]
Re^4: Curses-based applications? by NERDVANA (Priest) on Jan 02, 2025 at 19:27 UTC
Re^5: Curses-based applications? by vkon (Curate) on Jan 03, 2025 at 10:40 UTC
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Re^5: Curses-based applications? by bliako (Abbot) on Jan 03, 2025 at 09:53 UTC
Re^5: Curses-based applications? by etj (Priest) on Jan 04, 2025 at 04:04 UTC
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Re^5: Curses-based applications? by marioroy (Prior) on Jan 03, 2025 at 19:56 UTC
Re^4: Curses-based applications? by NERDVANA (Priest) on Jan 02, 2025 at 04:10 UTC
Re^5: Curses-based applications? by vkon (Curate) on Jan 02, 2025 at 08:46 UTC
Re^4: Curses-based applications? by marioroy (Prior) on Jan 04, 2025 at 23:49 UTC
Re^5: Curses-based applications? by vkon (Curate) on Jan 08, 2025 at 19:00 UTC
Re: Curses-based applications? by Anonymous Monk on Oct 28, 2013 at 07:17 UTC
... Config::Model::CursesUI ... cme -ui curses ... config-edit -ui curses ... FWIW, maintainer says I'm retiring so I have surrendered maintainership of all Curses-UI modules which had a maintainership Why are we so backwards when it comes to TUI? I recognize the rhetorical SHARYANTO :) Curses is a PICKLE all on its own, everywhere, and naturally, every little thing is optional -- and if you don't compile that support in, the higher level modules like Curses::UI don't stand a chance ... but I don't really TUI	[reply]
Re^2: Curses-based applications? by sedusedan (Pilgrim) on Oct 29, 2013 at 14:53 UTC
Thanks, I've tried several 'cme edit' commands like 'cme edit fstab'. Seems to work and decent enough. Although the app itself says "You should install Config::Model::TkUI for a more friendly user interface".	[reply]
Re: Curses-based applications? by sedusedan (Pilgrim) on Oct 29, 2013 at 15:11 UTC
Speaking of Turbo Vision, another option would be to turn to one of the Linux ports of it. Though one would have to write a Perl binding for it first. Python has Perl beat here by having a binding: PyTVision, but I suspect it's no longer working (last updated in 2004). Being an old and DOS-based project (it was first released by Borland in 1992), Turbo Vision probably has zero or near-zero support for Unicode/wide characters. I'm seriously considering dialog(1) now.	[reply]


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