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"Worthington: "THERE IS NO ******** WAY TO FINISH PERL 6 WITHOUT LEAVING PARROT BEHIND"

by carlosdelrey
on Aug 14, 2014 at 21:13 UTC ( #1097488=perlmeditation: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??

I have to apologize to ralphie boy, Moritz didn't censor Rakudo developers admitting they wanted to kill Parrot.

Its still too bad so sad that making a "useful and usable" perl-6 means killing off Pugs, Neizcha, and Parrot, but I'm confident that one of these years, one of these rewrites will eventually get things like documentation, libraries, and users.

Its just too bad that its taken so much time, effort, and money the Perl Foundation could have spent better.

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Re: "Worthington: "THERE IS NO ******** WAY TO FINISH PERL 6 WITHOUT LEAVING PARROT BEHIND"
by moritz (Cardinal) on Aug 15, 2014 at 08:35 UTC

      I think suidperl has just proven to be an inherently bad idea that nobody wanted to work on it anymore.

      It is surprisingly hard across platform to run a binary file with text input while making sure that the text input remains the same. As this is a security-sensitive topic and it usually requires deeper understanding for each operating system, suidperl was found to be too much of rope to give to people and take the blame for the security holes.

      I'm not sure if the idea of "simply bad idea" transfers to the other projects, but I see quite much of CADT development, except that maybe not all of the people are teenagers.

        All: The target of Corion's link is well worth the minute or less it'll take to read and highly recommended.

        As to "not all of the people are teenagers" -- some of them may be the wet-behind-the-ears new "managers" with their MBAs and not a clue about the topics with which their subordinates are dealing.



        Quis custodiet ipsos custodes. Juvenal, Satires

Re: "Worthington: "THERE IS NO ******** WAY TO FINISH PERL 6 WITHOUT LEAVING PARROT BEHIND"
by raiph (Chaplain) on Aug 15, 2014 at 15:57 UTC
    This post is about the immature Perl 6, not the rock solid Perl 5

    (If I were moderating PM I'd be inclined to just reap this whole thread as it currently exists, plus this comment. YMMV.)

    carlosdelrey admitted yesterday on reddit to quite the whopper. Please don't go thinking he's now telling the truth. Below I explain carlos's lie, the context of Jonathan Worthington's comment (which is from Feb 2013), and the plain interpretation of it.


    Over the last few days/weeks carlosdelrey has publicly made a couple accusations I considered serious.

    First, that Jonathan Worthington is "abusing other people".

    Then, when I said the evidence on #perl6 of the last 3 years consistently and comprehensively portrays Jonathan as being as nice as he is smart (first class honors cs degree from cambridge), carlos claimed that Moritz "scrubs the logs after the fact so there's no public record of abuse".

    I don't stay on channel 24/7 and keep a personal copy of the log so I investigated to see if this was true. Ultimately carlos admitted he'd lied (or, as he puts it, was "wrong").

    (So in fact yes, he indeed ought to apologize, to at least Moritz, myself, and others who may have thought he was not a liar. And not the twisted "apology" he's offered in this thread.)


    So what's with the line in this thread's title? This line, from Feb 2013, is the sole angry outburst I've seen from Jonathan in my 3 years of daily #perl6 log watching.

    I quoted Jonathan's line on reddit for two reasons:

    First, if carlos had any integrity he would admit he was lying or provide evidence to back up his accusation about Moritz. (He admitted he was lying.)

    Second, Jonathan's ALL CAPS line is the exception that proves the rule that Jonathan is a nice guy. This line was by far the angriest outburst I'd seen by him and it wasn't "abusing other people" but rather frustration in response to chromatic very publicly insulting Rakudo devs.


    So what's with "Rakudo developers admitting they wanted to kill Parrot"? Imo that's carlos's imagination, channeling chromatic. Has anyone upvoting carlos bothered to read the dialog he linked to? Do they understand that Parrot was at a standstill by the time of Jonathan's comment?

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Re: "Worthington: "THERE IS NO ******** WAY TO FINISH PERL 6 WITHOUT LEAVING PARROT BEHIND"
by toolic (Bishop) on Aug 15, 2014 at 00:41 UTC
Re: "Worthington: "THERE IS NO ******** WAY TO FINISH PERL 6 WITHOUT LEAVING PARROT BEHIND"
by LanX (Archbishop) on Aug 15, 2014 at 18:37 UTC
    And the trolling goes on ... and on ... and on ... O.o ... yawn ...

    Or is it a scheme to keep P6 in the focus?

    Cheers Rolf

    (addicted to the Perl Programming Language and ☆☆☆☆ :)

Re: "Worthington: "THERE IS NO ******** WAY TO FINISH PERL 6 WITHOUT LEAVING PARROT BEHIND"
by Anonymous Monk on Aug 14, 2014 at 21:50 UTC
    You can't kill dead things :)

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